<p>Will international students have lower standards on applying to colleges?</p>
<p>Can you rephrase?</p>
<p>I mean, I heard friends telling me that international students are lower in English ability and stuff, so they get into colleges easier than American students. Is that true? I’m an international student myself so I was just wondering.</p>
<p>It’s wrong. On the contrary, you need to be even better than domestic applicants.</p>
<p>If you have the money to pay full non-resident tuition (often close to $50,000 per year) many schools will overlook your lower-than-domestic-students’ English scores - as long as they believe you can improve enough to perform at college level and as long as your scores in other areas (math, science) are at least as good as the average American applicants’. </p>
<p>For any significant financial aid, however, you have to be better - often MUCH better - than domestic applicants.</p>
<p>What katliamom said is right. Also, some schools, even if you’re asking for financial aid, are also slightly more lenient about CR scores with internationals because they’re aware that English is not their first language, but they still have to be within the range. For example, at Grinnell College, the middle 50% range for internationals in CR is 590-720, while it’s 660-790 for Math. For domestic students, it’s 600-720 for CR, while it’s 610-720 for Math. Internationals are just as qualified in CR, but they’re above average in Math.</p>
<p>Thanks! International students like me really have huge troubles on CR. I’m still trying my best. Except for TOEFL, are there anything else that international students are treated differently?</p>
<p>Often, there are fewer ECs expected from international students simply because not all countries offer the same opportunities to young people that kids have in the U.S. (That doesn’t mean you can get into a good school without ANY ECs - the more selective colleges still want to see you express your passions/interests in SOME way.)</p>
<p>@katliamom thanks! Luckily my schools is one of the best in providing various club activities. My friend and I did established a club in our school so I guess that might help. What about job experience or internship? I’m more concerned about those.</p>
<p>Hi, I saw the PM you sent me but because I don’t have enough posts (15) so I can’t PM you back. Sorry about that. I left you a message on your page though, did you get that?</p>
<p>Hey guys, do any of you happen to know where you can look at a school’s INTERNATIONAL admission statistics? I looked at most of my school’s admission webpage, where they post their freshmen SAT/ACT 25/75 percentile scores, #of students who applied for/received financial aid, bla bla bla…but these FRESHMEN info are downright BS in terms of providing INTERNATIONAL students guidelines. I’m applying to top schools this year,(with financial aid which i guess would be very hard) and their admission data have been very confusing and misleading, since there’s not even a reliable source that tells INTERNATIONAL (not just overall freshmen) students’ admission rate and stuff like that… My dear int’l comrades, how do you solve this problem?</p>
<p>Generally speaking, divide the admission percentages by 2 or 3. Or (for the schools you’re looking at, not all schools :p) Look at the ratio of international students to total number of undergrads, then if the school is not need-blind assume half of them are full-pay and that gives you an idea of how difficult it is to get in.</p>
<p>any Africans here?</p>
<p>what exactly are hooks</p>
<p>what exactly kind of hooks are there?</p>
<p>Generally speaking for getting into public/ state Unis (except UCs and few other rich schools) internationals have better chance for getting in. Because:
A. Bigger size but not a lot internationals applicants
B. Money! (These schools don’t offer aid to internationals)</p>
<p>But getting into TOP private unis is much more harder for internationals. Because:
A. Smaller size and a lot international applicants…
For example: an international had about 2.25% chance for getting into MIT last year !!! (From thousans only ~120 got accepted)
B. in case of being need aware, applying for aid almost can seriously hurt your app!
For example : UPenn each year accepts 300 to 330 internationals: only ~45 of them are aid recievers…
(In case of being need aware and NOT applying for aid: things will be more complicated. It is really hard to say which applicant has a better chance with the same stats: inter. Or domestic. It depends on the college…)
C. Only about 10% of the class are internationals!</p>
<p>Kenyangirl, a hook is something universities REALLY WANT that gives the applicant extra advantage. </p>
<p>For example:
- high-achieving racial minorities. We’e talking about Americans here, not internationals. (Makes the school look good.)
- Olympic-caliber athletes in a sport popular on campus. (Ditto.)
- Wealthy/famous family (ditto, plus the chance of getting a large donation from said wealth family) </p>
<p>Few international students have hooks, unless they come from a wealthy/powerful background.</p>
<p>Thanks Katliamom…
one more Q,
what if…you have external funding and you won’t apply for aid frm the university you’re applying to?
does it better your chances as opposed to an applicant who will apply for aid from that university?</p>
<p>Kenyangirl6:</p>
<p>If the university is need aware: ABSOULOTLY… without a doubt… i’v also heard that if you get into the waitlist of the need blind universities, your EFC can affect your chances…</p>
<p>Fadaee is right. Only the richest, most exclusive schools don’t look at your financials. If you have the money, there are literally dozens of excellent schools you can get into, including very fine public schools that would welcome your out-of-state tuition, which is about twice what residents would pay.</p>