<p>Well, first of all, i am an international student from Canada who does not require aid. Now, i am aware of some of the international acceptance rates and how they are lower than national acceptance rates for top 30 colleges. That is where i am aiming by the way. </p>
<p>I have contacted schools like Johns Hopkins where I was told that Nationals and Internationals go under the SAME applicant pool and there is just one difference. This is whether the international requires financial aid or not. Apparently that is the only factor that accounts for the much lower Johns Hopkins International Acceptance Rates. Obviously, i took Admissions_Daniels word for it and i am sure that this is correct information. In other words, i am assuming that JHU Rate for Intl. Students who do not require financial aid is roughly the same as the acceptance rate for Nationals.</p>
<p>So my question is: Is the same true for all of the schools i am aiming for(Top 30)
In other words, do colleges penalize by lowering the acceptance rate of a intl. student just because of the fact they are international or is the lowered rate wholly because of the fact that so many internationals seek aid. A lot of schools cannot provide adequate aid to internationals thus leading to rejections.</p>
<p>This has me confused for a while because I do not need any aid and i would not like to be put at a disadvantage because i live 200 miles above the US border. So yea, are intl. who need aid at a disadvantage or all intl. together. I know each school has different policy but if you know about a particular school please let me know.</p>
<p>PS: I also read that Emory's acceptance rates for internationals is roughly the same as nationals. I have no clue why this is. I am assuming it is not need blind to internationals. Even Harvard(need blind to internationals) has a lower international acceptance rate. I am assuming other factors other than aid come into play in this particular case. </p>
<p>Sorry for the long post. Does anyone know about why this is and whether or not it affects an intl. not seeking for aid. Thanks</p>
<p>before i say anything else allow me to just start by saying I have no idea what the int acceptance rate is for any of the top 30 schools.</p>
<p>just let me say this. I've read articles that have discussed how especially in countries like S. Korea the children of the educational elite train like dogs to get into the top 30 american colleges. apparently in asia its like the DREAM of every family to send their kids to the top 30ish elite american schools. american schools , though, tend to like to have a 15/85 - 20/80 ratio between ints and us citizens. This combination (the focus of very many int students on a few schools and a very limited number of spots reserved for tehm) will clearly lead to very unfavorable additions rates. it makes sense, doesnt it?</p>
<p>Top 30, most do not require higher standards for admission for internationals but a number will not provide need-based aid and if you need aid you will not be accepted (it is not a lower acceptance rate, you just won't be accepted). Much of aid is funded or guaranteed through US government approved programs and internationals cannot qualify under those programs (US government feels no obligation to provide aid to internationals and any senator or congressman who suggested it should would probably be voted out-of-office at the next election)-- thus the reason aid is a factor although some of your high rank schools even provide aid regardless of the government funding issue but then if you need it they apply higher standards than usual to admit you because they are parting with their own money in giving aid. Next, most public universities, including those that might be on your list, e.g., Michigan, UCs, both provide no need-based aid to internationals and discriminate against them in admission in favor of in-state residents, i.e., you generally need to have higher stats than average in-state person who gets in. However, they do the same to US residents not from the school's home state (except those persons can qualify for aid). The reason: public universities are controled and funded by state in which they are located. Most states have rules (many actually written into law) or policies that say in-state students must be favored over out-of-state (including internationals).</p>
<p>I agree about the public univ. holding intl. and even out of state students to higher expectations for getting in. However that is just some schools and not all of them. My main question is whether the lower international acceptance rates can be explained with the 'a lot of intl. need financial aid so they are rejected' theory. Since i do not need aid, i am wondering if my chances at these schools are as good or close to nationals. Ann Arbor and UVa and other publics who prefer in state to out of state is a different story.</p>
<p>TZar, it is true that a lot of people in asia dream of making it to top US colleges. But i highly doubt that colleges divide within Internationals. For example, preference of Canadians to South Koreans. They have a little thing called affirmative action to make that happen indirectly.</p>
<p>Anyway, back on topic, i am specifically referring to the US colleges that have much lower international acceptance rates. I am curious about the reason. I imagine it is solely financial aid but i cannot be sure so any help would be appreciated!</p>
<p>I don't know where you guys are getting a lot of this information but colleges in fact look positively on students who are from international countries especially those from which they do not get many applicants. In fact it is a bonus in the application process to be an international as long as you are not requesting financial aid. The reason why the acceptance rate for internationals is low is because a large amount of international students request financial aid and are thus not accepted. I have friends who have decent SAT score, good Grades and normal extracurriculars, nothing special, but did not apply for financial aid and got in to great schools while I had friends from the states who were far more qualified but were subsequently not accepted. If you are able to use your international status to your advantage you should have no problem and it is in fact a plus to your application. However I am sure a vast amount of people apply to American Universities from Canada and the culture being similar makes the Canadian international card less desirable. However if you are from a place such as Bosnia then you may be able to bring in a little more in to the college community in the form of insight and cultural diversity.</p>
<p>That is an interesting way to look at it swissas. I wonder what percentage of intl. students actually apply for financial aid. That would give a more difinitive answer to how colleges view internationals. So yea, thanks for the help above. Lets continue. Everybody else's thoughts</p>