<p>I didn't say your student handbook lied. All I said is that the paragraph you wrote above was definitely not taken out of a student handbook - at least I would be shocked by a handbook written in such poor grammar.</p>
<p>CC members, I apologize if some of the things I told you were confusing. I tried what I could and gave you links to verify anything that I wrote.
B!um, if it was not taken from a handbook I guess that now it is me who was lying. I find it absurd that you are still arguing over this silly thing while the State of Department confirms it on its site. As I said in my last post, the note in the handbook just stated that F-1 students would need a new I-20 if they spend more than 5 months outside of the US. However, it did not give as much details as the site nor explained in which condition the student should get the new I-20. Nevertheless, I looked for more information and posted the details up there but you are still bugging me?
If you choose to participate in a study abroad program, you will most likely be outside of the US for more than 5 months. While you will be need (a) new I-20, the time you spent on the study abroad program counts towards your eligibility for Optional Practical Training.
There is no grammatical error in the sentence and if the book is written with "poor grammar beside the (a) that I omitted when I copied it. The grammar is maybe not complex because the author is not writing stances. It is a handbook that was printed at an English Language Institute for students who came here without any knowledge of English so what kind of "grammar" do you want them to use? If you want, I can scan the page and send it to you.
I would be shocked by a handbook written in such poor grammar.
I did not know that you were Lord or Dona "Shakespeare" sinor or sinora. If you can command the English language so perfectly that you feel the need to humiliate people, then good for you. Even if I were the one who wrote what you assumed to be poor grammar, I would not feel ashamed of my supposedly poor grammar because I never learnt English at school and I only started to learn it this summer. So yeah! I cant claim to be Larry Shue or Noam Chomsky when it comes to English or good grammar but you are really lucky to have good writing and grammar skills. You should actually think about writing a book. I bet that you can beat Tom Stoppards record. You will definitely be successful if you write and publish one with the title How to write English without poor grammar. I look forward to reading your ABC of the English grammar. I wish you the best!</p>
<p>Yes there are more errors in that sentence. Let's just look at the phrase "While you will be need new I-20". You already noted that an 'a' is missing. But what is the 'be' doing there? And why are the two pieces of information 'you will need a new I-20' and 'the time spent on a study abroad program will count towards your OPT eligibility' joined with a while clause? I also think that either 'spent' should be in a different tense or 'you' should be omitted but that would be minor issues.</p>
<p>That's ridiculous, why would studying abroad be part of the OTP?
haha, b@rium, i love how you're bashing the English of this "student handbook" :)</p>
<p>Thanks for the moral support, Rister!</p>
<p>if i want to go to grad school which is preferable research or internship??</p>
<p>Does research count as opt?</p>
<p>If you are interested in PhD programs, definitely do research!</p>
<p>If you do the research on campus you won't have to use OPT. Paid off-campus research counts towards your OPT though.</p>
<p>so to sum it all up, if say i go to a university for 4 years, im entitled to 12 months OPT automatically? 29 months for certain majors?</p>
<p>will i get OPT time if say i attend a community college for 2 years then transfer to a uni?</p>
<p>Well, OPT time is technically not automatic - you have to apply for it and the application fee is a few hundred dollars. But I have never heard of anybody being denied those 12 months so in that sense it is automatic.</p>
<p>You should get 12 months of OPT too when you are transferring from a community college, but I cannot tell you whether you would already be eligible for it at the Community College or only after you have transferred. Usually you can start using OPT after you have completed one full year of studies. The question here is if you can use it after your first your at the community college, your first year at the university or right after you transferred. Maybe someone else can shed some light on this.</p>
<p>can you use the OPT in chunks? or do you have to use the full 12 months at once?</p>
<p>Tanvee, You dont have to do the OPT in twelve consecutive months. You can apply for OPT prior to complete your degree to do summer job (full or part time) and off campus employment related to your studies for up to 20 hours a week while school is in session. It will be a Pre-completion Practical Training. Time used in pre-completion practical training is counted towards the total 12 months that are available for your OPT . Part time Pre-completion Practical Training is counting as half time in calculating how much OPT eligibility you have left. For example, if you have two months of authorized part-time Pre-completion OPT, that would count the same as one month of full-time OPT used, leaving you with 11 months of remaining OPT to be used either prior to completion of your course of study or for post-completion practical training.</p>
<p>If I go for grad school immediately after undergrad, will my OPT be invalid?</p>
<p>for phd ya research is good but for ms only whats the case?</p>
<p>Yes, your OPT is automatically cancelled when you move to another education level but you will be eligible for a new OPT when may become eligible for another 12 months of OPT when he or you move to a higher educational level ( even if you had used the 12 months you had for your first OPT)</p>
<p>Someone asked what they mean by highly skilled workers. I dont if anyone else already answered but it means that the workers excel so much in what they are doing that the outcome of their work make the US companies more efficient and more competitive. So for example, if you have a college degree, you will be seen as a skilled worker compare to someone who only completed HS. If you can make 10 notebooks in ten minutes while another worker who hold a degree equivalent to yours is working for the same company ( or for a competitor) can only make 5 or less notebooks during this frame of time, then you are the high skilled one. Both of you has good skill but you are the one who is boosting the companys production and make it more efficient.</p>
<p>Loathed, If you are a student completing the first academic year of study (or are in a one year program), the earliest you can submit the application is 90 days prior to the date you complete your first academic year. If you are beyond the first year of study, its better if you submit your application no earlier than 120 days prior to the start date you request for your OPT. You are eligible for OPT while you are in a community college and you can complete your OPT right after you are done with the CC if you want. However, your OPT will be end if you transfer to another school or to a more advance level of education. I know that the application for OPT cost $340 but it might be higher than that because the USCIS can change it without notice. I thought that you would still have the OPT if you transfer to a four year college but it understandable that you will lose it when you transfer because you will be moving to a higher level of education. ( BA is > than AA, right?). </p>
<p>Does anyone know if you lose the OPT even if the transfer is done from a 4 year college to another 4 year institution?</p>
<p>I would be surprised if a community college student would get extra OPT when transferring to a 4-year college. After all, the two years for an AA are the same as the first two years of a Bachelor's degree. But hey, this is just a gut feeling - don't take my word for it.</p>
<p>I am not sure what you mean by "losing OPT". When you transfer from one college to another, you don't regain any OPT you have already used at the other college but you don't lose any either.</p>
<p>To come back to the topic of highly skilled workers: in the context that it originally came up ("DHS: 17-Month Extension of Optional Practical Training for Certain Highly Skilled Foreign Students") it referred to foreigners with Bachelor degrees in STEM subjects. Usually when DHS or USCIS use the term "highly skilled", they refer to a subset of Bachelor degree holders - it has nothing to do with how productive people actually are.</p>
<p>By losing your OPT , I mean not being able to do your OPT even if you completed before you transfer or not. </p>
<p>Why should CC student get extra OPT? They won't get it because they transfer to poursue a higher degree of education. It is the same thing as if you transfered from Undergrad to Grad. However the student won't get a new OPT.</p>
<p>With productivity, I was just giving an example outside of the Box. I guess that you maybe did not read when I said that to my refernce with the Bac.. degree</p>
<p>take a chill pill girl</p>
<p>By the way, if a company want to keep you for a longer period, they won't do it because you have a certain degree. They will do it because you are better in what you are doing than other coworkers or maybe because you are doing a good job but are getting paid less than local people who could do the same thing as you for a higher wage. Still outside of the box</p>
<p>Rister I did find it strange that they would add the study Abroad to OPT till I read the detail on the DHs site because I am planning on spending two consecutive semesters abroad. Oh yeah you should definitely write the introduction of the ABC of English.</p>
<p>"take a chill pill girl" - Lol... :)</p>
<p>I am still not convinced about that CC OPT deal <em>but I might be wrong</em>. I understand that your OPT time starts over when you start working on a higher degree - I am just wondering if an AA degree counts as a stand-alone degree for OPT purposes or if it is viewed as part of an undergraduate degree. Or in other words:
4 years at XYZ college => BA and 12 months of OPT
2 years at a CC and 2 years at XYZ college => BA and 24 months of OPT???
It seems unfair to the students who are attending a 4-year college right away but maybe the world just isn't fair in that respect.</p>
<p>In fact I interpreted your "highly skilled worker" scenario differently. To me it sounded like you were saying:
If you have a college degree, you are a skilled worker.
If you have a college degree and are more productive than other workers with the same degree, you are a highly skilled worker.</p>
<p>I really appreciate out-of-the-box thinking but not in the context of immigration and labor laws.</p>