<p>i don't need to know about mergers and acquisitions to read internet releases about which schools are core schools</p>
<p>i'm sorry brown is not one of them, your saying that it is won't change that, no matter how many years you work at an i banking firm</p>
<p>Good for you. </p>
<p>See, people who have worked in investment banking don't need to rely on internet links - they KNOW who they actually worked with.</p>
<p>Keep clickin' those links! :)</p>
<p>FWIW, the two schools most highly represented among the analysts in my department were Harvard and Brown. We went to Brown, on-campus, every year for the eleven years I was there.</p>
<p>I just remembered we did in fact have someone from Stanford. I forgot he went there until just now.</p>
<p>^^^ likewise monydad.</p>
<p>first of all, I never said that Stanford grads DON'T ever go to Wall St.</p>
<p>one of the reasons I didn't list Stanford as one of the "core" schools is simply the fact that their top graduates tend to get much more attractive packages from firms in Silicon Valley (either industry or private equity/venture cap firms) - and many tend to want to stay on the West Coast and not want to go to NY (if given a similar job choice between the two) - and I don't blame them (I now live in California precisely because I had the option to) NOR do I think that Stanford is a poor choice if one wants to go into finance - quite the contrary, it is very well positioned (perhaps even THE best positioned) particularly when it comes financing to the high tech industry.</p>
<p>from many Stanford grads I've spoken to, Wall St. and its prospects of grinding it out 100 hrs/week as an analyst grunt has waned considerably - esp. when they see their peers who have made it in the VC world chilling out on the weekends and making sick money.</p>
<p>this one time i got off the plane in india, and i saw a white person, and ever since then i've thought india was mostly white</p>
<p>too bad you lack basic common sense - but then again - why is that anyone's problem but yours? :)</p>
<p>Just because a company posts what its core schools are doesn't necessarily mean much as to the composition of an analyst class or who still has a chance of getting in. In fact, it might be more telling which schools consistently place in these classes that aren't on the supposed "core" (whatever that means) list because it shows how the doors at these companies to these students are still open and which schools are respected enough to welcome in potential candidates. It may not be convenient or efficent to recruit in Williamstown, MA, Brunswick, ME or Hamilton, NY, but the fact that students from Williams, Bowdoin, Colgate are consistently in these analyst classes shows that these schools are well respected with strong exit opportunities for their students even if they aren't on listed as a "core" school on the company. It's not so much, elsijfdl, you don't know about M&A that is stopping your understanding, it's that you don't know how recruiting works. Is this to say that if you end up at Brown and a company that you want to work for isn't on their "list" that you're automatically not going to try to pursue them?</p>
<p>elsdgsdfd, trust me, Michigan and NU are not more highly recruited than Duke. First off, theres no evidence for this. Second off, Duke students are closer to Wall Street. When comparing Duke to its peer schools Columbia and Penn and Brown, its at a disadvantage in some ways since it is further away. However, this disadvantage doesn't exist compared to Mich and NU. Third, Duke students are much stronger statistically and are ahead in every real indicator of student success and student strength. Not to mention on global corporate recruitment surveys Duke beats out both schools significantly and is ranked more closely with Penn, Columbia, and HYPS than NU.</p>
<p>In all, you don't know very much about Duke if you think its students are less sought after than like Michigan and NU. Do you know how strong Duke students actually are? Or do you just go by what you think and your preconcieved notions of it. Learn a little about Duke and you'll realize how strong it is.</p>
<p>Duke is, in almost every way, on par with Brown Columbia Penn Dartmouth and a notch below HYPSM. Of course, in some ways it is worse and in some ways it is better, but in terms of academics and student strength it is an EQUAL to these schools, and thus is/should be recruited at as much.</p>
<p>I would agree with thethoughtprocess about the relative strength of Duke vs. Northwestern and UMichigan from what I've seen in various positions/MBA class and would put Duke on a par with Dartmouth, Brown, Columbia. While I don't like Penn or Wharton very much, would have to admit that for getting into IB and MC classes it is probably even above these schools, although one would have to put up with undergrad business to realize this effect.</p>
<p>TheThoughtProcvess, Duke is not better than Michigan or NU. All three of those schools are peers.</p>
<p>"..the fact that students from Williams, Bowdoin, Colgate are consistently in these analyst classes shows that these schools are well respected with strong exit opportunities for their students even if they aren't on listed as a "core" school on the company"</p>
<p>Actually at my shop. back then, I never saw anyone from these particular schools. Or Colby, Hamilton, and some of the others mentioned. I'm pretty sure we didn't go to some of those places, for the reasons I mentioned previously. Only a few LAcs were represented. For those people to get into my shop, they would have had to take a lot of initiative to get themselves considered. Which could happen.</p>
<p>Now that I think about it, a number of the LAC guys had an "in" of some sort. For example, The guy I remember from Amherst somehow knew the senior partner of the firm. The guy from Wesleyan was in some special program. A girl from Barnard had a daddy who was a big customer. As did a guy from Colgate, who we didn't hire, but at least he got an interview. </p>
<p>Some of the Ivy people were also wired, but most of them weren't.</p>
<p>This was just my shop, then; I'm not making any global statement here.</p>
<p>monydad, How many people were in the typical analyst class at your firm. I can certainly see someone from a Bowdoin or Colgate needing to fight their way through with possible conncetions at a Dillion Read, Furman Selz type of place, but ironically would actually have an easier chance at more well-known, larger places (GS, MS, ML, SSB, UBS, CSFB, LB, BS, JPM, BOA, etc.)</p>
<p>wharton. enough said.</p>
<p>Wharton is four extra years of being in a sweatshop, though. Certainly not for everyone, including the ones that ultimately will prove to be successful in IB. From what I saw in my class, the Wharton guys (and they almost were all guys) weren't any better at the job or getting promoted on avg, but had an easier time of getting the job in the first place.</p>
<p>"too bad you lack basic common sense - but then again - why is that anyone's problem but yours? "</p>
<p>oh you mean so generalizing one personal experience and extrapolating it to an entire industry/country/etc. is not a smart thing to do?</p>
<p>That's funny because you said this before:</p>
<p>"See, people who have worked in investment banking don't need to rely on internet links - they KNOW who they actually worked with."</p>
<p>"elsdgsdfd, trust me, Michigan and NU are not more highly recruited than Duke."</p>
<p>this is just for consulting:
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=235587%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=235587</a></p>
<p>Funny, the topic of this thread seems to be "investment banking."</p>
<p>if you think the recruitment focuses change that much you are wrong, it's already been stated that consultant recruiting patterns are very similar to investment banking recruiting patterns, and he wasn't speaking about strictly ibanking, he used the phrase "are not recruited more heavily" and then went on to say how duke was better overall, not just in ibanking recruiting.</p>
<p>I too have seen Duke perform better than Northwestern or Michigan. Just my personal experience.</p>
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