<p>In general, is the applicant pool to the College of Engineering more competitive than that of the other colleges?</p>
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<p>With respect to admission rates, yes. With respect to strength of student body, I don’t know.</p>
<p>Check out Cornell’s CDS for more numbers.</p>
<p>I highly doubt it is a significant feat even with respect to admission rates in comparison to the other colleges at Cornell. What does matter, in my opinion, is how well your accomplishments / achievements correlate with the particular college at Cornell you are applying to. So a student who applies to Engineering and gets accepted will probably be denied admission in to the Hotel School, and vice-versa.</p>
<p>^very true. Hotel school for example looks for different qualities than engineering.</p>
<p>But for unhooked males applying to college of engineering, I would say it is very impressive to be admitted. That particular pool is extremely competitive.</p>
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<p>Notice I only wrote that response to “In general, is the applicant pool to the College of Engineering more competitive than that of the other colleges?” and not the question in the title of the thread. </p>
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<p>Do you have data to back this up? Just wondering, since I’ve seen this assertion made by others multiple times as well.</p>
<p>@Wong, isnt winning a difficult competition a greater feat than winning a less difficult competition?</p>
<p>Depends on your definition of ‘difficult’, ‘competition’, and ‘greater feat’.</p>
<p>It’s hardest to get in architecture for sure, then it’s a tossup between engineering and arts. Arts has lower admittance %, while enrolling engineering students has a slightly higher SAT math I score - though there’s a huge discrepancy between admission rates for males and females in engineering.</p>
<p>However, this isn’t what you should consider to be “a feat”. If you’re applying to a school just to get in and show off about getting into a selective school, apply to liberal arts colleges. Many of them are more selective than cornell percentage wise due to their small size. The true feat is getting into the program you want to get into.</p>
<p>Colene, the reason that I ask this is because many people say that Cornell is the easiest Ivy to get into, and statistics-wise, it is, but I figured that if one looks at the College of Engineering it is not as easy as the rest of it. But perhaps I am wrong…</p>
<p>Cornell is statistically the easiest ivy to get into, that is a fact. However, in context of a national, or global, universe all schools in Cornell are very selective. I might have taken it the wrong way, but what I took out from your last point is that you may be seeking self-reassurance that the CoE is much more selective than the other schools in Cornell. So when people will tell you that ‘Cornell is the easiest ivy to get into’ you can sheltered by the fact you’ve applied to the ‘CoE’, which you will reply is much more ‘selective’. Surprisingly, I think CoE might actually be statistically easier to get in than other schools in Cornell, but that is irrelevant. What I do suggest is finding a passion / interest and following that, rather than chasing after selectivity. Again I may have misinterpreted your intentions - and you could just be concerned your chances may be inflated by misleading statistics.</p>
<p>Basically apply to the college in Cornell to which your interests / past-work best correlates with.</p>
<p>Peppino, CoE tends to be self-selecting in nature, and from what I’ve heard, admission for males is quite competitive. But, as others have mentioned, each college looks for a diverse set of skills, so the students who apply might already comprise a highly competitive pool of applicants to start with. </p>
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<p>You think it might be statistically easier? What the hell is that supposed to mean? Next time you post something, think before you type.</p>
<p>Wong, I agree with you in that engineering is self-selecting so statistics on their own can be misleading. What I meant by ‘I think it might be statistically easier’ is that I had a good reason to believe that going by percentages alone that maybe engineering is not all that selective as people deem it to be. </p>
<p><a href=“http://dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000003.pdf[/url]”>http://dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000003.pdf</a> </p>
<p>Total applicants to CoE: 8,696
Total acceptances: 1,787</p>
<p>% Acceptance ≈ 20.5%, which is higher than the University Total of ≈ 17.9% (Just realized the site has data which is for class of '15).</p>
<p>If you look at it for males in CoE, it’s about 15.9% which is less than the University Total, but you can still find other particular schools in Cornell and break it down by gender and find lower %'s.</p>
<p>So contrary to what you may believe, I was thinking before I was typing.</p>
<p>My main goal was just to point out that statistics can be misleading and follow your passion / interest.</p>
<p>“Colene, the reason that I ask this is because many people say that Cornell is the easiest Ivy to get into, and statistics-wise, it is, but I figured that if one looks at the College of Engineering it is not as easy as the rest of it. But perhaps I am wrong…”</p>
<p>y do you care so much? just focus on creating the best application possible…</p>
<p>@gridvk:
i think WTT was commenting on the fact that you had clear, obvious data to substantiate your assertions but still said “might”, “think”. idt he was question ur reasoning lol, maybe just the way u said it</p>
<p>Why do I care so much? I guess I just wanted to quell some people’s ideas that Cornell is easy to get into. Thanks everyone for responding.</p>
<p>Get over it. Cornell is easier to get into relative to the other ivies overall for sure. This is arguable regarding comparison of A&S and engineering in Cornell to those of the other ivies but honestly this really doesn’t matter. Once again, the selectivity of your school does not correspond to quality of education (Many top asian universities are much, much, much more selective than Cornell and even Harvard and so are many top Liberal Arts Colleges). Like I said, if you really want to brag about how selective your school is, then go to those instead. In the end, what matters is what you learn, your accomplishments, and the networks you build… and in particular how much you enjoy your 4 years of college.</p>
<p>If any school in Cornell gets rubbed off on in selectivity, it’s probably ILR (and rarely the other contracts and hotelies for being… hotelies). However, that won’t matter once you get that amazing job/ opportunity that comes with an education here (I’m talking to you ILRies… especially those investment people). Other than that, no specific school in Cornell really gets any preferential edge from anyone due to school selectivity socially or in any other way. Employers/Profs look for fit that’s based mainly major choice/coursework (for opportunities in different fields) and performance within them… difficulty of coursework and GPA are such good indicators. However, even with a supposedly “easy” major there’s substantial benefits - you can show off your uniqueness particularly well which definitely helps in recruitment/social situations.</p>
<p>It’s daunting for many prefrosh that their accomplishments don’t stay with them once they go to college. Yeah, that’s reality… get over it. If you truly have the ability and you learned your fair share in high school then you will excel in college if you work hard. You’ll soon come to realize that like i said, what you learn, your accomplishments, and your networks will matter more than anything else. Nobody will know about / care about different schools’ selectivity after the first year of college. However, the school reputation within a field and overall reputation does matter, but it wouldn’t prompt people to look up selectivity values as a metric for student quality - they will compare you to your peers, and evaluate you for your accomplishments relative to the reputed difficulty of your school, its strength in particular programs, and its strength overall.</p>
<p>Selectivity in discussion again.
I posted this on Princeton board on the second-last page of a thread and will post this again here. (about schools, not Cornell colleges, though)</p>
<p>School | 2012 Admit Rate | Freshman Enrollment
Harvard: 5.9% ~1700
Yale: 6.8% ~1300
Princeton: 7.9% ~1300
Columbia: 7.4% ~1400
Dartmouth: 9.4% ~1100
Brown: 9.6% ~1600
Penn: 12.3% ~2500
Cornell: 16.2% ~3300</p>
<p>Assume Cornell just shrink their freshman class size next year to be the size of Dartmouth (while it is 3:1), (with similar number of applicants as this year’s)
next year Cornell’s admission rate will be 16.2%/3 =5.4%.</p>
<p>Reduce to the size of Brown and Cornell’s admission rate will be 16.2%/2.06 = 7.8%.
Reduce to the size of Columbia 16.2%/2.36 = 6.9%
Reduce to the size of Princeton 16.2%/2.54 = 6.38%
Reduce to the size of Yale 16.2%/2.54 = 6.38%</p>
<p>If one use Dartmouth’s size as a base, the adjusted adm rate is impressive.</p>
<p>School |2012 Adm Rate | Freshman Class Size | Based on size 1100 | Adjusted Adm Rate
Harvard: 5.9% ~1700 (1.55:1) 3.81%
Yale: 6.8% ~1300 (1.18:1) 5.76%
Princeton: 7.9% ~1300 (1.18:1) 6.69%
Columbia: 7.4% ~1400 (1.27:1) 5.83%
Dartmouth: 9.4% ~1100 (1:1) 9.4%
Brown: 9.6% ~1600 (1.45:1) 6.62%
Penn: 12.3% ~2500 (2.27:1) 5.42%
Cornell: 16.2% ~3300 (3:1) 5.40%</p>
<p>However, this is just telling people if you change one factor, your view of how selective these schools are, what the ranking is,… will be different. No ranking system considered all factors and every one of them is flawed. Don’t doubt these schools are of similar caliber. Cornell is just a bigger school.</p>
<p>“Cornell is just a bigger school.”</p>
<p>And therefore less selective on the whole. Read what I posted, and stop being this repulsively concerned with such things. I actually don’t’ get why you care so much; you aren’t even a student here. Are we done?</p>
<p>Just as a side note, I’m a current student in Cornell who frankly doesn’t give a crap about this sort of thing like many others.</p>
<p>Edit: I am reposting what i said for convenience’s sake. It’s incredible how many people keep asking and discussing this point again and again and again.</p>
<p>"Get over it. Cornell is easier to get into relative to the other ivies overall for sure. This is arguable regarding comparison of A&S and engineering in Cornell to those of the other ivies but honestly this really doesn’t matter. Once again, the selectivity of your school does not correspond to quality of education (Many top asian universities are much, much, much more selective than Cornell and even Harvard and so are many top Liberal Arts Colleges). Like I said, if you really want to brag about how selective your school is, then go to those instead. In the end, what matters is what you learn, your accomplishments, and the networks you build… and in particular how much you enjoy your 4 years of college.</p>
<p>If any school in Cornell gets rubbed off on in selectivity, it’s probably ILR (and rarely the other contracts and hotelies for being… hotelies). However, that won’t matter once you get that amazing job/ opportunity that comes with an education here (I’m talking to you ILRies… especially those investment people). Other than that, no specific school in Cornell really gets any preferential edge from anyone due to school selectivity socially or in any other way. Employers/Profs look for fit that’s based mainly major choice/coursework (for opportunities in different fields) and performance within them… difficulty of coursework and GPA are such good indicators. However, even with a supposedly “easy” major there’s substantial benefits - you can show off your uniqueness particularly well which definitely helps in recruitment/social situations.</p>
<p>It’s daunting for many prefrosh that their accomplishments don’t stay with them once they go to college. Yeah, that’s reality… get over it. If you truly have the ability and you learned your fair share in high school then you will excel in college if you work hard. You’ll soon come to realize that like i said, what you learn, your accomplishments, and your networks will matter more than anything else. Nobody will know about / care about different schools’ selectivity after the first year of college. However, the school reputation within a field and overall reputation does matter, but it wouldn’t prompt people to look up selectivity values as a metric for student quality - they will compare you to your peers, and evaluate you for your accomplishments relative to the reputed difficulty of your school, its strength in particular programs, and its strength overall. "</p>
<p>Cornell would never shrink their class size to around the size of Dartmouth, given the number of colleges in Cornell compared to the other ivy league schools. I would say that is an unrealistic scenario 2Das</p>
<p>@Colene:</p>
<p>Well, that is not my point for making this thread at all. I am not sure if that was directed at me, but no, I am not a Cornell student. However, I love everything about Cornell, and I will certainly apply there. I, likewise, don’t care about how unselective it might be. I made this thread because people, upon telling them that I would like to go to Cornell, tell me, “Oh, Cornell is the easiest Ivy to get into, you’ll get in there no problem. My friend/brother/cousin/dog got in with only ____ and ____.” I hope, they are right, because I WOULD like to get in “no problem.” However, none of these people are referring the College of Engineering, and I always thought in my mind that Cornell’s reputation for being easy to get into does not apply to CoE. I hoped it does, but after researching reports and statistics it seemed as if it doesn’t. To finalize my findings, I made a post on College Confidential asking this very question. That is all. Colene, I am sorry if I offended you for being “repulsively concerned,” but I applaud all the effort you put into such a long and detailed post.</p>
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