<p>Agreed with the top two posts. Mathboy has been incredibly helpful to me regarding UC Berkeley. He can share a really down to earth perspective, that’s not one tracked or biased.</p>
<p>mathboy98, your opinion, whilst you think its fair…, does not supersede the opinions of thousand of engineers, deans, scholars, researchers who would vouch that Berkeley’s engineering is superior to Mudd.</p>
<p>rocketDA </p>
<p>It appears that you’re craving for sympathy. </p>
<p>Okay; here’s one for you: Mudd is a very good school for engineering.</p>
<p>I hope you can sleep at night now.</p>
<p>Seriously? Can we all just stop with the snide comments? If this thread is to be kept alive, at least do something constructive like mathboy suggested.</p>
<p>“rocketDA
It appears that you’re craving for sympathy.
Okay; here’s one for you: Mudd is a very good school for engineering.
I hope you can sleep at night now.”-RML</p>
<p>I don’t care what you think of Mudd; You know little about engineering.</p>
<p>(You should really take my advice, though!)</p>
<p>“Seriously? Can we all just stop with the snide comments? If this thread is to be kept alive, at least do something constructive like mathboy suggested.”</p>
<p>Man, I am so sorry. I just can’t get this guy to stop polluting this forum though.</p>
<p>ANYWAYS, I’ve found that one of Berkeley’s undergrad strong-suits has been its EECS (electrical engineering computer science) program. Along with pre-med, it is considered a flagship program for Berkeley undergrad. The students are very smart… my ex-girlfriend and long-time friend just finished her BS in the program. She’s staying at UCB for her PhD in math/sci education. She was #2 in my hs class just behind me. JUST KIDDING. i was probably around #20 or so.</p>
<p>RML, in fact the whole point of my post was to state that we should defer to the experts. I haven’t asserted an opinion on whether one school is better than another for any given purpose. On the contrary, I don’t see what we’re even debating here. Debating how much research comes out of a school and comparing HMC and Berkeley is, we can easily see, pointless, because Berkeley is home to people who’ve not only done undergraduate but also graduate degrees and are residing there solely to research. I think the only point really worth chatting about here (and if I’m missing something, I don’t mind an addition) is what the specific advantages to the engineering programs are. This isn’t something that comes up all too often in threads such as this one, most of which focus on overdone points such as “HMC has a higher percentage of students going to grad school” or “Berkeley is a big research school so there’s just more there.”</p>
<p>Forgive the pretense, but realistically I’m a mathematician, and we spend our entire time throwing around the terms “is it obvious?” and “it’s clear.” And I certainly don’t think it’s obvious from all I’ve read on here what even is being argued, and much less that any conclusion has been validly reached.</p>
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<p>Rocket probably is off to a great career, something I hope I can say too when I graduate. I need more sympathy than he does. :D</p>
<p>mathboy, let’s simplify this. </p>
<p>If you think neither of our opinion is correct, then let’s refer this to those people who know better than both of us - the PA of USNews.</p>
<p>Are you suggesting that all of the PA raters have total knowledge of EVERY engineering department? Most of the raters probably have just heard good things about Mudd and put down a reasonably high number, without any real interaction with Mudders or Mudd itself. What does it even mean that you are qualified enough to rank schools you did not go to? </p>
<p>And then you have to keep in mind we only offer one degree, which some people just may not like. </p>
<p>In any case, anybody in engineering with a proper head on their shoulders would probably give Cal and HMC the same score of 5. It really just comes down to preference of learning style and how broad you want to study. Maybe it might be my Mudd education talking here, but perhaps we shouldnt base our decisions on what other people think, and think for ourselves. </p>
<p>Visit one, visit the other, then maybe even visit the first again if you have the chance. The one thing you shouldnt do is take the blind advice of a bunch of biased fanboys that you’ve never met before.</p>
<p>Again, a tautology – Cal wins in the “how did you score in the US News point count system” regard, simply because that’s the fact. If that is your measure for saying HMC isn’t even close to Cal, assuming you read the internet correctly, you’re right and RocketDA is wrong, end of story, and I think he would admit it too. </p>
<p>Nevertheless, why state trivial facts that anyone could look up? What would really be interesting is to see the specifics of these programs’ philosophies and how they do what they do. As with many of life’s interesting questions, the beauty here should be in the subtleties.</p>
<p>Might I add that all this would be avoided if all simply stated clearly what they mean by “better.” If “better” is defined to be scoring better on a point system that is easily verifiable, then there’s not much discussion to be had here.</p>
<p>“ANYWAYS, I’ve found that one of Berkeley’s undergrad strong-suits has been its EECS (electrical engineering computer science) program. Along with pre-med, it is considered a flagship program for Berkeley undergrad. The students are very smart…”</p>
<p>Second :)</p>