is colgate prestigious?

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<p>Colgate enjoys an excellent reputation among med schools (as emi520 noted) and its biology program is considered among the most rigorous in the country, another reason why the med schools love Colgate.}}</p>

<p>Who considers it the most rigerous in the country? Have a link to that study?</p>

<p>Colagte <em>is not</em> loved by the top med schools. You continually spew facts with nothing to back up your statements..</p>

<p>Here are all the med schools in the US. Show me where Colgate is represented at the top schools. I realize you’re proud of Colgate, and you should be, it’s a good college. But don’t mislead future students.
<a href="http://www.mdapplicants.com/selectschool.php%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.mdapplicants.com/selectschool.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>med school acceptance rate is 90%.}}</p>

<p>That's for students who make it far enough to apply.
If you tract all the students who were premed hopefuls in their freshmen year, you’ll find most are washed out. That's true of all colleges. If only the top students make to the point of getting recs etc and apply, sure 90% will be admitted. The question you need to ask is <em>how many</em> actually apply?
If only 20 make it the application stage, that's an important stat also.</p>

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<p>I'm currently deciding between Wesleyan and Colgate, I'm leaning towards Wesleyan because their students get more research money (the most of any LAC actually). So from what I've heard, if I want to go premed, Wesleyan is the choice to make. Is this correct or have I been misled?</p>

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<p>Wes gets more research money than all the other top LACs combined. However that doesn’t make it the best for premed. I’m not saying it isn’t excellent for premed but advising etc. is also important.</p>

<p>You should also realize a significant number of students who are admitted to med school don’t major in bio, chem. etc. In reality, a bio major works against you if you’re applying to JH Med.</p>

<p>Because you're interested in bio now doesn't mean you won't change your mind in a year.</p>

<p>Go to the college you'll feel the most at home and fit in. The rest will take care of itself.</p>

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<p>thanks, i appreciate the advise. I'm visitting Wesleyan this weekend, I hope I dont have to visit any other schools after that (meaning my decision would be made).</p>

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<p>Haha man, same dilemma :-P
You posted on my thread though, talking to samb not road. Roads done a lot more than post on my board if you know what i mean <em>wink wink</em> haha.</p>

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<p>yeah i work at a fairly educated facility (a cancer research building) and several people all thought it was Ivy League}}}</p>

<p>You mean they though they were part of the Ivy League athletic conference?</p>

<p>Being fairly educated and not knowing Colgate isn’t an Ivy seems like an oxymoron. Do your educated coworkers know there are 8 Ivies and they got their name because they’re members of the Ivy League athletic conference and it has nothing to do with the quality of the college?
Stanford or MIT aren’t in the Ivy league but are arguably much better than a few Ivies. Duke and few other colleges may be argued as better by some also.</p>

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<p>Okay, time to unearth briefly the dead horse and beat it again.</p>

<p>About the med school information on Colgate and its bio program. No, there is no link to verify the stats etc. The information came from a conversation last fall with a med student who sits on the admissions board of her med school (a prominent one in the state of New York). A magna cum laude Ivy League grad, she disclosed that there is an internal document used by med schools that rate and rank undergraduate colleges and in particular their biology programs. She also said that it is augmented by stats developed by each med school on individual performances by each of the matriculated med students from those programs. It was she who remarked on the respect that Colgate has at her med school because of two things: its lack of grade inflation and the strength of its biological sciences program for undergraduates. She also remarked that it produced strong applicants, especially in light of them not having any direct connection with an on-campus medical center where they could do undergraduate research such as Harvard, Yale, Wash U, Stanford, Emory, etc. If anyone can get a hold of that document, then it would be most welcomed. </p>

<p>As for the economics program at Colgate, while there should be a list somewhere compiled by WSJ and/or Business Week, with data accurate enough and not skewed by individual colleges to benefit themselves, the remark about it being well respected and among the top programs nationally comes primarily from the Colgate graduates who land exceptional jobs in I-banking, brokerages, etc. But the information that was cited earlier comes from another internal document seen by a Colgate grad who attended an MBA program at one of the Top 5 business schools in the U.S. and took part in its admissions decisions. Colgate's economics program was indeed in excellent company.</p>

<p>Granted, it's all hearsay and inadmissable in the court of CC public opinion, but then one man's truth is another man's BS.</p>

<p>The horse is dead. Long live the horse.</p>

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<p>"The horse is dead. Long live the horse."</p>

<p>What???</p>

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<p>It's a pun on the old royal pronouncement about the death of one monarch and the instant recognition of the succeeding monarch: "The king is dead. Long live the king." It referred to the term of beating a dead horse in the opening of the post.</p>

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<p>AH, heh. I didn't catch that, apparently. Good stuff though.
I failed to see how it related to beating a dead horse, it really doesn't though. I'm in the clear now, the thread can go on with my blessings :-P</p>

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<p>{{{No, there is no link to verify the stats etc. The information came from a conversation last fall with a med student who sits on the admissions board of her med school}}</p>

<p>Collegeprent, I really don't intended to make this a national issue but let's do this; give the name of the prestigious NY medical school your inside informant is associated with. We can then compare how many Colgate alums are indeed enrolled at the school. We also can look at the verifiable facts which does in fact have a link ( I gave it to you) of which colleges are represented at every Med school in the country. This is a simple procedure really. Use the link I supplied to you to of all med schools and the colleges represented by admitted students at any given med school. Then simply glean the Colgate acceptances from the med schools data base and post back the results of where Colgate grads are represented at the top med colleges.
In good faith and sense of fair play let me offer full disclosure. My wife was asked to teach at Dartmouth Medical College, so I know a bit about this subject</p>

<p>{{the remark about it being well respected and among the top programs nationally comes primarily from the Colgate graduates who land exceptional jobs in I-banking, brokerages, etc}}</p>

<p>Interesting. I’m a VC and while I do appreciate your stoic but unfortunately unverifiable defense and hearsay from a very limited number of subjects regarding Colgate’s econ dept, the fact remains Colgate is so underrepresented at I-banking or VC firms compared to other colleges e.g. Wharton, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, et al, as to make it laughable you would consider it one of the “top ten” in the country. And if you knew much about any of the aforementioned professions, you would know a BA in econ, no matter which college, won’t get the door opened a crack. You need an MBA to even be considered. And if you consider being hired as a stock broker (salesman in reality) as an indicator of the prestige of a Colgate econ degree, I suggest you learn more about the job description of what exactly a stock brokers job entails. It wasn’t too many year ago a college degree wasn’t even necessary to be hired for the position. To this day, many of the top executives at many of the top houses on the street don’t have college degrees.</p>

<p>Collegeparent, be proud you son/daughter is a student at Colgate. Very few in the country can make that claim because, simply put, very few have the qualifications to be admitted. Otoh-And I won’t say this again, you’re making it appear the college needs hearsay and totally unverifiable bogus facts to boost the colleges image and place among its peers. Let Colgate’s rep stand on its own merits.It will do just fine</p>

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<p>A magna cum laude Ivy League grad, she disclosed that there is an internal document used by med schools that rate and rank undergraduate colleges and in particular their biology programs}}}</p>

<p>Not to beat your preverbal dead horse, but the pre-requisites for med school only require one year of bio with a lab.. In reality, what difference does the strength of a colleges bio dept have to do with success in med school? Many students are English, History , Philosophy majors. Why not measure the strengths of these depts. and thei correlation to med-school success? And then we have chem. What about the strength of that dept at any give college. Two years are required of chem. over the only one in bio in order to apply to any med school giving it more weight in the hierarchy of courses required. </p>

<p>Why do I get the feeling you have no idea what actually is involved in a successful med school application. Wouldn’t it make sense med schools would have a secret, ala Nixonian, report on colleges chem. depts. proficiency and stature as a measure to more accurately determine success also? </p>

<p>{{But the information that was cited earlier comes from another internal document seen by a Colgate grad who attended an MBA program at one of the Top 5 business schools in the }</p>

<p>This part really annoys me. Back to unseen internal docs. You’re giving my very confused and desperate for facts friend, rtc, advice, and for all practical purposes are claiming Colgate (acording to you anyway is in the ten in econ) hence is better than Wes. But again, you base your BS on the hearsay of ONE Colgate grad at an unnamed B school who purportedly saw ONE doc? It’s my sincere desire your daughter/son is treated with more respect and honesty when s/he applies to grad school and is looking for unbiased honest help when making her decisions.</p>

<p>Your grade inflation argument is also nonsense. View the graph on the supplied link and you’ll notice Duke Williams, Dartmouth, Princeton, Columbia, Rice et al have arguably demonstrated grade inflation but any one of the listed colleges has more of its students admitted to the top med schools in one year than Colgate does in ten. Obviously, med schools aren’t as concerned with grad inflation as you would have one to believe</p>

<p><a href="http://gradeinflation.com/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://gradeinflation.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>The dead horse has been been ground and canned for canine consumption. You win!</p>

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<p>The dead horse has been been ground and canned for canine consumption. You win!}}</p>

<p>I wasn't my intention "to win" only to be fair.
You have a great sense of humor and nothing you said was meant to be malicious or dishonest. I knew that. You simply did as we all do at times, see more, or want to see more into a report than is actually there.. I have certainly been guilty of that transgression myself.
The fact remains, regardless of this or that fact or ranking, you're very lucky to have child bright enough to have been admitted to one of the top LACs in the country. Congratulations.
Actually luck didn’t play a major role in your child's success. Kids don't get where they are by themselves There’s always a parent behind them giving encouragement, understanding and help when needed. You should be proud of the child you produced. Truce and peace .</p>

<p>Btw--Your lucky your kid is attending Colgate now--- 20+ years ago the drinking age was 18 and you don’t even want a hint at what transpired in the frat houses--lol</p>

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<p>I think there is a bit of a fight going on here that is not needed. roadlesstraveled why ask a question and then shutdown everyones very generous attempt to answer that question to the best of their abilities. There just aren't the sources to justify any claim as to who gets in where and how good it is. Honestly acceptance rates ofr med school are bogus since people can apply to any med school really the only good info would be what schools. However, comparing the number of students from princeton and others that get into med school is nonesense given they have a larger student body than Colgate. Furthermore your "link" that you keep referring to takes you to a list of MEDICAL schools adn thier acceptance info, Colgate DOESN'T have a MED school so of course they wouldnt' be on that list...plus that link although is better than no source seems at least questionable at best. Something tells be the best schools in the nation don't just hand out thier admissions information to websites such as medschoolapps...or whatever it was. </p>

<p>Basically I just wanted to point out that although you are attempting to push your facts thorugh while calling others "false" is hypocritcal...Just be sure you have crafeully scrutinized your own sources before bashing others that "don't have any sources." </p>

<p>Grow up and please don't attack other people for trying to answer your question.</p>

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<p>I think he meant % and not numbers, whereas both apply in this.
If you think this is a fight, then you clearly have no idea what a fight is.
No wonder so many kids in the US school system are such wussy's and have to bring guns to school in order to demonstrate a point. This entire psychological bs on what's hurting kids is completely unwarranted and is leading to mentally and physically weak students.
Guys, and sometimes girls, engage themselves in brawls. It happens all the time in other countries too and OMG we get up and shake hands after that's over and most of the time the friendship is stronger due to respect. That never happens here because of the freaking juvey threat.</p>

<p>Sorry about the digression, yet fact still remains that the above is not a fight. Collegeparent has made some statements that I <em>might</em> have taken to heart if proper data was sited or a book or link was shown. The fact that they did not have the study shown was slightly dissapointing because it left me more confused than I originally was. I would consider collegeparent's views much more highly if they could point out studies in books/online that i could read and look at to look at the data for myself.</p>

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<p>I have a doctor acquaintance. His d attends Colgate. Says she loves it. Very sporty school but also great academic fit. Great choice.</p>

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<p>{{[Furthermore your "link" that you keep referring to takes you to a list of MEDICAL schools and thier acceptance info, Colgate DOESN'T have a MED school so of course they wouldnt' be on that list.}}</p>

<p>Can you count? The list wasn’t of med schools with undergrad colleges. The list was ALL med schools in the country listing the colleges the students attended who were accepted, denied, withdrew etc. Look at Jefferson Medical college. The don’t even have an undergrad school
Williams, Holyoke, Amherst, Bates, Middlebury, Bowdoin, etc.etc. all don’t have med schools but they’re on the list.</p>

<p>Hmmmm, how can that be b/c based on you premise any college without a med school shouldn’t be the list?
As a matter of fact Amherst (no med school) has the 9th highest acceptance rate to med school of any college in the country and is listed as having students accepted at numerous med schools</p>

<p>{{Honestly acceptance rates ofr med school are bogus since people can apply to any med school really the only good info would be what schools.}}</p>

<p>There was no argument about acceptance rates. As a mater of fact, I suggested to the op to ask Colgate’s admission how many students were accepted after a gap yr or so. I was attempting to show that Colgate’s acceptance rate might be <em>higher</em> than presented if all the facts are taken into account.
..</p>

<p>{{.Just be sure you have carefully scrutinized your own sources before bashing others that "don't have any sources."}} </p>

<p>You don’t attend Colgate do you? A Colgate student wouldn't make such a moronic statement.</p>

<p>That’s my point , Walker, Collegeparent made the statement Colgate was in the top 10 colleges for their econ dept <em>without any sources</em>.. He also stated Colgate regularly places students into the top Med schools. Anyone with a reading comprehension level above 2nd grade could have noticed there were no studies linked to substantiate those claims. If you are a students and wrote a paper (pick any subject) and made claims without listing sources, what do ya think the teach is gonna do? Flunk ya sounds about right.</p>

<p>Collegeparent was gracious and honest enough to admit he misinterpreted the data he received from others. Not a big deal. I tell people my wife wears a smaller dress size than she does. We all get carried away at times.</p>

<p>It seems you’ve started and argument not only without the correct facts but no facts.</p>

<p>Drop it :)</p>

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<p>
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And if you knew much about any of the aforementioned professions, you would know a BA in econ, no matter which college, won’t get the door opened a crack. You need an MBA to even be considered.

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<p>If you are looking for a position in one of the ibank analyst programs out of college, your major isn't all that important: like everything else, what matters is your grades in college. The MBA usually, but not always, comes after a couple of years in the work force. (One of Colgate's most successful i bank alums, Robert Kindler, went into investment banking after being an M&A lawyer for many years). </p>

<p>A group of my alma mater's [Williams] alums has a listserve at my employer, and are actively involved in recruiting for summer and permanent positions. There's a similar listserve for Colgate alums. </p>

<p>I wouldn't get caught up in rankings, or what the best major is.</p>