is colgate prestigious?

Colleges and Universities A-Z Colgate University
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<p>I've got no statistics or backup citation. This is presented purely anecdotally:</p>

<p>While visiting my daughter this fall I purchased a Colgate baseball cap, purely because it was heavy wool and the exact shape I like and color. It also said Colgate on the front.</p>

<p>Much as I still love the cap, I've had to stop wearing it because of my embarrassment at all the men my own age who stop me in restaurants, or in town, to introduce themselves and ask what class I was in. Even when I tell them it's only because of my daughter and why I got it, they love to talk about 'Gate and ask about her interests and goals. And she's told me about being engaged in (non leering) conversations by men on Amtrak who see her sweatshirt while coming home to visit from school.</p>

<p>That never happened to me wearing an NYU sweatshirt.</p>

<p>This past weekend I was seated at a large dinner next to a Washington DC lawyer and in the course of the evening it came out that my daughter was a freshman at Colgate. He then proceeded to marvel at how a senior partner in his firm seems to get clients based on Colgate connections.</p>

<p>When I first read about the "Colgate connection" I dismissed it as harmless puffing. But it is undeniable that there is a real school spirit and close, friendly, helpful bond that seems to develop amongst Colgate alumni. Maybe this would happen at other LACs too. Probably does at Dartmouth I guess, but honestly ~ wonderful schools as they are, I've never heard it about places like Amherst or even Weslyan. Carelton? Grinnell? Unh unh, I don't think so. Probably would be considered too uncool or not PC.</p>

<p>So, granted, Colgate may not have the prestige of a few other schools, but it's got something else awfully good.</p>

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<p>{{That never happened to me wearing an NYU sweatshirt}}</p>

<p>LOL---I can tell you why-- every nickel and dime store sells NYU, Harvard, Georgetown, Standard, etc shirts. Because the colleges are located in larger towns, tourists purchase college shirts, hats, etc believing they’ll <em>look cool</em> I’ve given up asking people wearing shirts, etc from any college I or a relative attended what year they graduate b/c 99% of the time they never attend the college. </p>

<p>Wear an Amherst, Midd, Bowdoin, et al shirt anywhere outside of the Northeast and most haven’t the faintest idea the names even represent colleges</p>

<p>You’re correct, to be an analyst doesn’t require a specific major. In recent years engineers, believe it or not, have been in vogue. When I spoke of needing an MBA, I asumed the op wanted to make I banking or working for a VC firm their profession. If that’s the case, an MBA is essential.
Many programs prefer you have a few years experience before entering the B school. Having work experience brings <em>experience</em> to the table and makes for more interesting and intelligent conversations and debates. </p>

<p>However, even Harvard doesn’t require work experience before applying to HBS.
Anyone seriously interested in I banking should read the book “Monkey Business” Not only is the book hysterical, it’s very close to the actual experiences a young IBanker will have at almost any firm.</p>

<p>{{Maybe this would happen at other LACs too. Probably does at Dartmouth I guess, but honestly ~ wonderful schools as they are, I've never heard it about places like Amherst}}</p>

<p>Dartmouth isn’t a LAC but I can assure you Colgately isn’t the only LAC with very close alum connections and schools sprit. And if you want to consider the women’s LAC, Wellesley, Smith, Barnard, Holyoke Etc;. you’ll find their loyalty and alumnae notorious.</p>

<p>The students at Colgate have close bonds, imo, b/c it seems almost every student is selfless and has empathy for their fellow classmates---rural location? Maybe. But I believe Colgate manages to attract kids who care as much about others as themseleves.</p>

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<p>What about wesleyan :-P</p>

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<p>What about wesleyan :-P}}</p>

<p>Hey, shouldn't you be studying or at the firestation?</p>

<p>What about Wesleyan? What do you want to know? Wes has been an elite college since 1831. Good enough for you? :)</p>

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<p>Any thoughts as to Colgate compared to Bowdoin in the government/prelaw area. Thanks</p>

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<p>Well, I wouldn't go quite as far as that in ascribing selfless idealism to the student body as a whole (what? Did you and collegeparent make up and then decide on a new party line??). I think the tradition, the location, the D1 sports, and the emphasis on athleticism (in the *ancient * Greek sense of mens sana in corpore sano), together with being a fairly bright group of kids are all factors that make it a cohesive and loyal student body.</p>

<p>On the otherhand, if you feel as you do, to what do you attribute the pervasive impression of so many that Colgate is preppy, in the pejoritive sense of that word?</p>

<p>Speaking though of sweatshirts being sold in souvenir shops, I really didn't own an NYU sweatshirt while I was still there. It was the mid '60s and I wouldn't have been caught dead in one. In fact I spent far more time working backstage at Bill Graham's Fillmore East than I did working at my classes. A few years ago my mother unearthed several of my circa 1968 tee shirts and I gave them to my daughter who was haute cool. One day she saw someone else wearing one and struck up a conversation (to compare now straight but once stoned out Dad stories). She was horrified to find that you can now buy reproductions of most of them on the Internet:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/Catalog.aspx?ProductTypeID=MR&Store=1&CategoryID=TS%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/Catalog.aspx?ProductTypeID=MR&Store=1&CategoryID=TS&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>Leary came several times to NYU to lecture or speak. I remember once he was there the same weekend as Eldridge Cleaver. The messages delivered were however, quite different! The acid was readily available even on the weekends Leary wasn't.</p>

<p>Pigpen of the Greatful Dead used to drop acid into the Poland Springs water cooler backstage, into open Coke cans and, after we all wised up to that, used a syringe to inject doses through the bottom of wax paper cartons of orange drinks.</p>

<p>And actually that was a lot better and safer than the crack cocaine that hit the streets several years later or methamphetimine that's available now.</p>

<p>For that matter, a dose of acid was a lot cheaper (and I maintain safer) than binge drinking; there was no such thing (or need for) date rape and the worst STD you could get back then could be cleared up with a dose of penicillin from university health service.</p>

<p>The world was very different. Then again my draft lottery number was 6. The acid helped take care of that too. I was * not * Colgate material.</p>

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<p>{{{On the other hand, if you feel as you do, to what do you attribute the pervasive impression of so many that Colgate is preppy, in the pejoritive sense of that word?}}}}</p>

<p>Ignorance and jealously.....Usually people who find it necessary to criticize a college as preppy in the pejorative(with an a) sense of that word, as you would say, either A) were denied admission to Colgate, Williams, Amherst, Midd, etc. or B) can’t afford clothes from Ralph Lauren, J Crew, or were not given a bid to a frat or sorority.</p>

<p>I didn't make up with CP…Didn’t need to. He made an honest an error. I brought it to his attention and all is good.</p>

<p>{{In fact I really didn’t own an NYU sweatshirt.}}</p>

<p>Hmmm, I guess we'll never know how many men would have leered, or otherwise, after you had you worn a NYU sweatshirt compared to your Colgate baseball cap. :)</p>

<p>{{In fact I spent far more time working backstage at Bill Graham's Fillmore East}}</p>

<p>Better that than taking classes at Harvard from Timothy Leary and dropping acid.</p>

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<p>I don't think there's anything wrong with being physically preppy. People dress up, i'm guilty of that from time to time too. There is, however, a stereotypical attitude associated with that physical feature. The mentality is that of a jock and almost apathetic environment. This might have applied to colgate in the past and is assumed to still exist. I met a bunch of interesting people on campus when I was there, then again it was a saturday morning and a lot of students were probably hungover and replacing their traditional garb for a 'gate hoody.</p>

<p>Prestige is just a word. It's always more about qualifications. I doubt that a harvard or upenn engineering student (not talking about M&T at Penn) would be picked over a cornell engineering student or even a Penn state engineering student. The prestige in that case would have no merit.</p>

<p>Picking a school due to it's degree being respected and recognized, perhaps revered, is a good thing. Going in for blind prestige is not.</p>

<p>Maybe i'm stereotyping also, and feel free to correct me if i'm wrong. The student body as a whole at colgate is not intellectual enough to discuss their work as part of casual conversation, and is not quirky enough to like those conversations when they don't pertain directly to work at hand. When I think of colgate, i think of an awesome school where kids think learning's place is in the classroom. I just tend to disagree with that. Simple as that.</p>

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<p>When I think of colgate, i think of an awesome school where kids think learning's place is in the classroom. I just tend to disagree with that. Simple as that.}}}}</p>

<p>You're answering your own questions ol' friend.
I'm not commenting about Colgate, one way or the other. </p>

<p>You love the quirky type of student (you are one) who attends colleges such as UChicago. Reed, Swath and discusses Plato and Medieval philosophy during sex. You belong at Wes.</p>

<p>Otoh, I belonged in the frat house discussing how to get the car we got stuck in the friggin snowbank unstuck so we could get more beer before the stores closed....But you knew that. Did I mention the winter carnival at Dartmouth is a very decadent event and makes Colgate appear saintly in comparison?</p>

<p>There’s a college for everyone. :)</p>

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<p>In the interest of candor, more grist for the mill:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.wsjclassroomedition.com/college/feederschools.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.wsjclassroomedition.com/college/feederschools.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>(taken off the gloating Amherst Board) </p>

<p>Colgate is not on the list of top 50 feeder schools to top business, law or medical schools. Then again, nor are 4 of the ivies.</p>

<p>Note the caveats: one year's results only; only the "top" professional schools were included and some schools said they do not keep records.</p>

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<p>Now all that's left for me is to see if it's worth staying on the waitlist at Chicago or just enrolling at wes/colgate and telling them to forget it. This is going to be a hard one eh?</p>

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<p>Colgate is not on the list of top 50 feeder schools to top business, law or medical schools}}</p>

<p>I already told ya that. :) The WSJ survey has been around for a long time but it’s flawed. The survey <em>didn't</em> take in to consideration how many students actually <em>applied</em> from a college to the surveyed grad schools, nor did it break out the numbers by individual grad schools. </p>

<p>A college may have a significant percentage of their graduating class admitted to one of the top med schools (Holyoke for one, I believe) but b/c very few students from Holyoke (possibly) didn’t apply to the surveyed Law or B School they didn’t make the list. </p>

<p>In order for the list to be meaningful the WSJ needs to consider the stats for each grad school separately and rank accordingly. In other words, a college could be # 4 for Law school admits but not show up on the top 50 list b/c very few of its students applied to the Med or B schools surveyed.</p>

<p>The survey only tabulated students enrolled at 15 <em>total</em> grad programs. Not being on the list doesn’t correlate with not being an excellent feeder college to a grad schools, it only means you might have to * settle* for the number 6th rated med, law, or B school. </p>

<p>The ranking also doesn’t take into consideration students going into the top PhD’ programs for neuroscience (JH et al ) education ( Harvard) etc.</p>

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<p>mhc48:</p>

<p>I was at NYU from 1965 thru 1969 at University College(The Heights). If you remember that is where the liberal arts school was located. I agree that especially from 1967 thru 1969 no NYU student would be caught dead in a school shirt. It was tie died in warm weather with jeans with patches. In the winter it was plaid work shirts with wooly coats ,jeans and hiking boots. For women it was no bras, long hair,peasant look, or same stuff as men. Also beards and long hair for us men. And for everyone the beginning of the sexual revolution. Believe it or not there wasn't that much booze but the air was thick with pot. AHHHHH the late 60's! Dana's Dad</p>

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<p>The sexual revolution was caused by the use/invention of the birth control pill and its easy accessibility. It gave women the freedom for fun.</p>

<p>It was coincidence the sexual free-for-all just happened to corresponded with the 60’s</p>

<p>Trivia time for all you brilliant Colgate students: In the southern states during the 50’s most babies were born early summer to early fall, but then in a period of a very few short years the birth rate became constant month to month. Why?</p>

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<p>RLT- You're serious?</p>

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<p>RLT- You're serious?</p>

<p>Serious about what? The southern birth rates? Yup, there is an explanation.
btw- when you heading over to Smith?</p>

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<p>Airconditioning</p>

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<p>Airconditioning}}</p>

<p>Yup, Good show :)</p>

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<p>Haha, learn something new everyday :-)</p>