Is Columbia not a great school or something?

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<p>^ datalook is right. According to the US News graduate department rankings, Stanford does outrank Columbia in many fields (as it did in the NRC95, outside arts & humanities). But again, in many cases the margins are not huge. In English, Stanford is 2 and Columbia is 4. In History and Political Science, it’s Stanford 1 (tied), Columbia 7 (tied). In Chemistry, it’s Stanford 4 (tied) and Columbia 10 (tied). Law? Stanford 3, Columbia 4. </p>

<p>In none of these cases is Columbia a “2nd or 3rd tier” school. As I said, the differences are close enough that the attraction of a particular subspecialty or professor may outweigh the overall ranking difference in choosing a program (examples: Columbia for international law, development economics, medieval literature, American literature, literary criticism, political theory,theoretical chemistry, or nuclear physics.)</p>

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<p>ranking by 2011 US NEWS and WORLD REPORT: Columbia #4, Stanford #5</p>

<p>Sorry, but I had to do this…</p>

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<p>Even alphabetically, Columbia is ahead of Stanford (but Acme Barber College beats both of them!).</p>

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<p>if we will use HYS as benchmarks for tier 1 law schools, columbia would be tier 2. i guess most bright law school applicants are aware that columbia law is not in the league of stanford law. stanford law’s peer schools are HY. </p>

<p>for business school, stanford’s rival is harvard and wharton. these are the tier 1 business schools. columbia is tier 2 at best, but is generally just tier 3 – there are 3 schools that are better regarded better than it which are considered tier 2, namely: Kellogg, Sloan and Chicago. </p>

<p>columbia’s engineering is no match to stanford’s too. do i even need to explain why?</p>

<p>Stanford has more representation than columbia has in HYS law, HSW business schools and H med. data have been posted here on CC. just do some digging ig you want to see the numbers.</p>

<p>Bain, Goldman, McKinsey, to name a few, consider HYPSM + Wharton as core schools for recruitment. Columbia is just a semi-target, that despite columbia is in NY. look at the salary of the columbia grads and compare it to HYPSM’s. There is a huge gap is their salary scale. </p>

<p>Columbia is not a very hot school in the Bay area. it has weak representation in SV. HYPSMC are hot schools in the West Coast where top talents are needed and valued. </p>

<p>i can go on and on and on to prove that HYPSM are in a league above columbia. but i guess columbia pompoms are not smart enough to be objective about the real status of their beloved school.</p>

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<p>don’t gloat too much. this is just a one time thing. USNews has been around for more than an era but never had it ranked columbia in the top 5. next year, when the order of the universe will go back to normal, columbia will rank # 7 or 8 or 9 again. it is where it really belongs.</p>

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<p>Guys, there is no point arguing with RML. He/she’s the only one being persistent in trashing Columbia around. As a Stanford first year, i even think he is immature and has some inner bias that just cannot be resolved. Just look at the posts. A common objective person would have given up by now. He argues from brand power, to pure usnews ranking, to salary potential, to Wall street, to everything superficial, and subjective, in order to maintain his cherished HYPMSC. Let him maintain his precious acronym. Let him continue his hate. He obviously worships USNEWS (with his HYPMSC), which is kinda sad considering how he graduated from Cambridge University where it should have taught him a little bit more knowledge and analytical power.</p>

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<p>RML, you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. How are the rankings of Columbia’s and Stanford’s professional schools relevant to their undergraduate rankings at all?</p>

<p>Bain, Goldman and Mckinsey recruit at dozens of campuses nationwide and they have a lot more core schools than HYPSM. Caltech isn’t a major target school for any investment bank or management consulting firm anyway so I don’t know why you keep propping up that school.</p>

<p>Want some proof? Here it is: [Join</a> Bain & Company: Bain on your campus > Apply to Bain](<a href=“http://www.joinbain.com/apply-to-bain/bain-on-your-campus/default.asp]Join”>Work with Us | Bain & Company)
Nearly every top CC school is heavily recruited by Bain from Harvard to Wake Forest. You are simply misinformed if you think only “HYPSMC” are considered “core” schools by Bain, whatever that exactly means.</p>

<p>[Campus</a> calendars | US Schools Recruitment](<a href=“http://www.mckinsey.com/careers/us_schools/campus_calendar.aspx]Campus”>http://www.mckinsey.com/careers/us_schools/campus_calendar.aspx)
Again, McKinsey recruits at about 50 schools including a wide variety of national universities and LACs.</p>

<p>Columbia and Stanford are peer schools RML. Please accept reality.</p>

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<p>Haha FEVERISHLY defending the schools he wish he could have attended. Gotcha.</p>

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<p>YUP. Look at these rankings:</p>

<p>[Rankings</a> - Project - Graduate Schools - Education - US News](<a href=“http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-engineering-schools/rankings]Rankings”>http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-engineering-schools/rankings)
[Undergraduate</a> Engineering Specialties: Aerospace / Aeronautical / Astronautical - Best Colleges - Education - US News](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-doct-aero]Undergraduate”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-doct-aero)
[Undergraduate</a> Engineering Specialties: Computer - Best Colleges - Education - US News](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-doct-computer]Undergraduate”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-doct-computer)
[Undergraduate</a> Engineering Specialties: Electrical / Electronic / Communications - Best Colleges - Education - US News](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-doct-electrical]Undergraduate”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-doct-electrical)
[Undergraduate</a> Engineering Specialties: Mechanical - Best Colleges - Education - US News](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-doct-mechanical]Undergraduate”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-doct-mechanical)</p>

<p>Caltech is ranked below Georgia Tech at Graduate Level and tied with Georgia Tech at Undergraduate Level in its niche area…ENGINEERING. And Caltech is Private and a lot smaller than Georgia Tech. So much for talking about adding Caltech to HYPSM.</p>

<p>Did RML get rejected from Columbia College and that’s why he/she went to Cambridge? ;)</p>

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<p>More likely he was rejected by all his precious HYPMSC. It’s beautiful and ironic. A love/hate relationship of a new kind. He loves them, they hate him. LOL</p>

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<p>lol… my claims are backed up with solid proofs whilst you all columbia pompoms don’t have any to back you up. you you’ve presented so far are tidbits of stories and anecdotes and personal opinions… there’s a reason why HYPSMC grads make more than columbia grads do. there’s a reason why top bulge bracket firms consider HYPSM as core schools and columbia as just a semi-target. there’s a reason why HYPSMC grads are highly represented at top postgrad and professional schools. there’s a reason why they’re called, HYPSMC, and why they are is a different universe. </p>

<p>I never claimed Columbia is a bad school. I would never say such a thing. I would never also bash columbia. In fact, i have been saying all throughout on this thread that columbia is a top 10 school. how is a top 10 school so bad? </p>

<p>i cannot rank columbia top 4. there are at least 3 schools that are superior than it. and there are another set of schools that are just as great, such as: Penn, Duke, Dartmouth and Chicago. To say that Columbia is top 4 means it is superior to Penn, Duke, Dartmouth and Chicago. but it is not. it is just as good at best.</p>

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so tell me what other schools are considered as CORE SCHOOLS for Bain, Goldman and McKinsey. </p>

<p>Mckinsey, for exmaple, took in 27 Berkeley grads just last year. Does that mean berkeley is a CORE school for McKinsey? No. Berkeley is just a semi-target school for these banks and companies.</p>

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<p>To pinpoint RML’s flaw, since he just never gives up.</p>

<p>First:
Salary Potential: Of course, MIT, Stanford, and Caltech are going to have higher salary potential by the nature of their graduates. More engineers means higher median salary, and it doesn’t mean the highest salaries. Most Columbia undergraduates are graduates in the humanities, which give them less salary potential even though they might be as successful in their respective fields.</p>

<p>USNEWs rankings: It is based mostly, actually all of it, on PA when it comes to program ratings which in of itself is influenced by USnews over the many years. It is a circular process. Remember, academic peers are people too, and they don’t pay attention analyzing other schools’ departments 24/7 like you do RML. They have better things to do, so when they do analyze, they take reference from established rankings and views, coupled with a little personal knowledge which in higher academics are very narrow-tailored to their own research and not enough to make a coherent judgment. That is why Columbia’s rated low, because of this cyclical effect. It’ll change as time progresses.</p>

<p>Top Recruits on Wall Street: again at the undergraduate levels, Columbia graduates are more diverse and don’t necessarily all want to end up on wall street. As you can see from its diversity of awards from arts, music, films, writing, engineering, science, politics, and every other field you can name, there are huge accomplishments. Stanford (where I go), Caltech, and MIT, your favorite schools quite frankly, are narrowly focused in engineering and business (with regards to graduation fields), which of course provide a greater supply of wall streeters, although I doubt that they enjoy more Wall street recruits than Columbia in the end. </p>

<p>To end, aren’t u talking about brand power? As a Cambridge grad, you should know that brand power is very different from rankings. That is why more people apply to Brown than to Northwestern, though I love them both. Hey tell us a little about your Cambridge experience? I “imagine” that professors their always praise Stanford, Caltech, and MIT, more than Columbia haha</p>

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compare columbia to dartmouth.</p>

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<p>This is highly entertaining.</p>

<p>And get another word other than “Columbia pompoms” already…</p>

<p>rofl.</p>

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<p>It’s funny because he went to school in England, and poms are what the English get called by Australians.</p>

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<p>Those who say Stanford is better then Columbia in academics. What is “better”? How do you define it, and show it to me at the same time? </p>

<p>Pretentiousness/awareness goes to Stanford for sure (mostly because of it’s campus and geography) but how can you say it’s academics are higher then Columbia’s?</p>

<p>This is entertaining.</p>

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more diverse than stanford? really? show it to me.</p>

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<p>^ Diverse as in, it’s grad’s choose a more diverse career path? Oh, then sure. It could be.</p>

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<p>again, show it to me. i want proof that columbia grads are more diverse than stanford grads are. show it to me that all stanford grads would want to end up in WS.</p>