Is Columbia not a great school or something?

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<p>I don’t recall anyone saying that “all stanford grads would want to end up in WS”. And certainly it would be a sweeping generalization to assume so.</p>

<p>In any case, if you want statistical abstracts to make comparisons. Here:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/opir/abstract/cc%20undergraduate%20degrees%20by%20program%20of%20study%202008-2009.htm[/url]”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/opir/abstract/cc%20undergraduate%20degrees%20by%20program%20of%20study%202008-2009.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>(CC)</p>

<p>and</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/opir/abstract/en%20undergraduate%20degrees%20by%20program%20of%20study%202008-2009.htm[/url]”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/opir/abstract/en%20undergraduate%20degrees%20by%20program%20of%20study%202008-2009.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>(SEAS)</p>

<p>and</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/opir/abstract/gs%20undergraduate%20degrees%20by%20program%20of%20study%202008-2009.htm[/url]”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/opir/abstract/gs%20undergraduate%20degrees%20by%20program%20of%20study%202008-2009.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>(GS)</p>

<p>and </p>

<p><a href=“http://facultysenate.stanford.edu/2009_2010/reports/SenD6248_degrees_conf2.pdf[/url]”>http://facultysenate.stanford.edu/2009_2010/reports/SenD6248_degrees_conf2.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>(Stanford)</p>

<p>I have no idea which you’d consider “more diverse”, and I honestly don’t really have an opinion on that matter, but I’m just providing sources of reliable data for you.</p>

<p>For a wider range of data:</p>

<p><a href=“http://facultysenate.stanford.edu/2009_2010/reports/[/url]”>http://facultysenate.stanford.edu/2009_2010/reports/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>and </p>

<p><a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/opir/abstract/students.html[/url]”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/opir/abstract/students.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>^ It could be. But I don’t see anyone saying that it is. Where did you quote this? I never claimed this, so I don’t have to give you any stats.</p>

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<p>[ quote] really? show it to me.

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Caveat: when doing math, you need to account for Stanford’s actual absolute number of graduates in comparison with Columbia’s number. Do not compare percentages, since each school’s size varies</p>

<p>Stanford:
Area and ethnic studies (CIP 5) 2.59
Biosciences (CIP 26) 6.81
Communications/journalism (CIP 9) 2.46
Computer and information sciences (CIP 11) 3.66
Engineering (CIP 14) 13.67
Engineering technologies (CIP 15) 2.87
English (CIP 23) 4.27
Foreign languages and literatures (CIP 16) 2.7
Iinterdisciplinary studies (CIP 30) 16.57
Liberal arts/general studies (CIP 24) 0.45
Mathematics (CIP 27) 4.11
Philosophy, religion, theology (CIP 38) 1.57
Physical sciences (CIP 40) 4.27
Psychology (CIP 42) 4.11
Public Administration (CIP 44) 1.12
Social sciences (CIP 45) 22.89
Visual and performing arts (CIP 50) 2.76
History (CIP 54) 3.32
Other<br>
Total 100</p>

<p>Columbia: </p>

<p>Institute for Research in African American Studies <em>2
American Studies 14
Anthropology 27
Mathematics *1
Archaeology *3
Architecture (Barnard) 23
Art History & Archaeology 22
Art History & Archaeology-Visual Arts (School of The Arts *0
Asian American Studies *3
Astronomy *1
Astronomy-Physics *</em> <em>0
Biological Sciences-Chemistry *</em> <em>0
Biological Sciences 41
Biological Sciences-Physics *</em> <em>0
Chemistry-Physics *</em> <em>0
Chemistry *4
Classics *6
Center for the Study of Ethnicity and Race *4
Center for Comparative Literature and Society 13
Computer Science *6
Writing: Undergraduate (School Of The Arts) 15
Dance (Barnard) *0
Drama And Theatre Arts *2
Earth and Environmental Sciences *1
East Asian Languages & Cultures 21
Economics 108
Economics-Mathematics *</em> <em>0
Economics-Industrial Engineering & Operations Research *</em> <em>0
Economics-Philosophy *</em> <em>0
Economics-Political Science *</em> <em>0
Economics-Statistics *
Engineering Majors 381

  • *0
    English & Comparative Literature 87
    Ecology, Evolution, and Environmental Biology *9
    Chemistry *1
    Earth and Environmental Sciences *8
    Ecology, Evolution, and Environmental Biology *2
    Film (School Of The Arts) 15
    French & Romance Philology *8
    French & Romance Philology *6
    Germanic Languages *6
    Spanish & Portuguese 22
    Columbia College *1
    Art History & Archaeology *0
    History 117
    Art History & Archaeology *3
    Italian *0
    Italian *2
    Latino Studies *2
    Columbia College *2
    Mathematics 20
    Mathematics-Statistics *</em> <em>0
    Middle East and Asian Languages and Cultures 14
    Music *8
    Columbia College *1
    Biological Sciences-Psychology *</em> *0
    Philosophy 24
    Physics *8
    Political Science 115
    Psychology 55
    Associated Institutes *1
    Religion *7
    Slavic Languages *1
    Slavic Languages *2
    Slavic Languages *1
    Sociology 17
    Spanish & Portuguese *0
    Statistics *4
    Urban Studies 17
    Visual Arts (School of The Arts) *9
    Women’s and Gender Studies *2</p>

<p>You do the math</p>

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<p>IvyLol, my updated source (above in my previous post) has the degrees conferred by Stanford, all organized by majors, and all as absolute numbers of degrees rather than percentages. That may make things simpler for whoever wants to do the work.</p>

<p>Unlike RML and some of the other people here, I’d rather just lay all the available (and reliable) data out on the table and let people come to their own conclusions. For the record, USNWR’s (and any other publisher’s) rankings do not constitute “a reliable source of data”. They’ve already collected all their data (which is probably fluffed and distorted for competitive and commercial reasons) and interpreted it for us using their completely subjective methodology so it doesn’t count.</p>

<p>Anyone making arguments about “better” and “more diverse” need to start using real data instead of relying on these rankings. For the record, if anyone actually has any interest in seeing a rankings system that is more objective, peer assessments and high school counselor assessments need to be completely removed from the methodology. Anything subjective needs to be removed and we have to start looking at real data.</p>

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<p>columbia offers undergraduate engineering. how come it is not in your list? [Undergraduate</a> | The Fu Foundation School of Engineering & Applied Science - Columbia University](<a href=“http://www.engineering.columbia.edu/undergraduate]Undergraduate”>Undergraduate Admissions | Columbia Engineering)</p>

<p>and, oh, wait. i never claimed stanford is more diverse than columbia. i just needed to see the proof when made this claim:

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<p>Then do the math with them added in. </p>

<p>And by your silence on your flawed arguments using USNews rankings of programs and your lack of mention on your Cambridge background, I suspect your credibility and honesty.</p>

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<p>^^ You got your proof then?</p>

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<p>nothingto, which proof? proof why columbia grads aren’t paid as much as dartmouth grads are? lol</p>

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<p>SEAS is included. Look at my updated post up above.</p>

<p>As a side note, maybe you should’ve attended Harvey Mudd College if you really care about these kinds of metrics. <a href=“http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/top-us-colleges-graduate-salary-statistics.asp[/url]”>http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/top-us-colleges-graduate-salary-statistics.asp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>columbia: Engineering Majors 381</p>

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<p>oh and don’t forget MIT and Caltech which is equally large if not larger portion of your arguments</p>

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<p>^^^^ What? I thought we all were over this 2 pages ago? No need to further debate this nonsense.</p>

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<p>Thank you ComaPrison. I missed that part.</p>

<p>and Just when you do the tally, Columbia offers both majors and concentrations as an alternative. So when you count degrees, include the concentrations.</p>

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<p>nothingto, but you haven’t explained why columbia’s salary figure sucks compared to dartmouth’s.</p>

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<p>Comaprison, thanks for that link. It proves to show that when you click the names of those colleges there, the different majors which are the highest paid salary for each college.</p>

<p>Proves to show salary means jack.</p>

<p>^ RML, please go to the link.
<a href=“http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/top-us-colleges-graduate-salary-statistics.asp[/url]”>http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/top-us-colleges-graduate-salary-statistics.asp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Click on each of the colleges names, and check there career path. Surely you will figure this out by now.</p>

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funny. mit and caltech are tech schools.</p>

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<p>??? lol</p>

<p>again, compare columbia’s with darmouth’s.</p>

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<p>Holy SH**. I didn’t even realize that you could get field/industry/job breakdowns by clicking on the school name.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.payscale.com/research/US/School=Harvard_University/Salary[/url]”>http://www.payscale.com/research/US/School=Harvard_University/Salary&lt;/a&gt; (Harvard)</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.payscale.com/research/US/School=Columbia_University/Salary[/url]”>http://www.payscale.com/research/US/School=Columbia_University/Salary&lt;/a&gt; (Columbia)</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.payscale.com/research/US/School=Dartmouth_College/Salary[/url]”>http://www.payscale.com/research/US/School=Dartmouth_College/Salary&lt;/a&gt; (Dartmouth)</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.payscale.com/research/US/School=Princeton_University/Salary[/url]”>http://www.payscale.com/research/US/School=Princeton_University/Salary&lt;/a&gt; (Princeton)</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.payscale.com/research/US/School=Stanford_University/Salary[/url]”>http://www.payscale.com/research/US/School=Stanford_University/Salary&lt;/a&gt; (Stanford)</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.payscale.com/research/US/School=Massachusetts_Institute_of_Technology_(MIT)/Salary[/url]”>http://www.payscale.com/research/US/School=Massachusetts_Institute_of_Technology_(MIT)/Salary&lt;/a&gt; (MIT)</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.payscale.com/research/US/School=California_Institute_of_Technology_(Caltech)/Salary[/url]”>http://www.payscale.com/research/US/School=California_Institute_of_Technology_(Caltech)/Salary&lt;/a&gt; (CalTech)</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.payscale.com/research/US/School=Harvey_Mudd_College/Salary[/url]”>http://www.payscale.com/research/US/School=Harvey_Mudd_College/Salary&lt;/a&gt; (Harvey Mudd)</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.payscale.com/research/UK/School=University_of_cambridge/Salary[/url]”>http://www.payscale.com/research/UK/School=University_of_cambridge/Salary&lt;/a&gt; (University of Cambridge)</p>

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<p>it is funny, because you made that same salary potential and wall street argument with MIT and Caltech haha. Now you want to exclude them??</p>

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<p>^^^ This is getting annoying.</p>

<p>[PayScale</a> - Columbia University School Salary, Average Salaries](<a href=“http://www.payscale.com/research/US/School=Columbia_University/Salary]PayScale”>Columbia University Salary | PayScale)
[PayScale</a> - Dartmouth College School Salary, Average Salaries](<a href=“http://www.payscale.com/research/US/School=Dartmouth_College/Salary]PayScale”>Dartmouth College Salary | PayScale)</p>

<p>Look at what they factor, as there career path. TOTALLY DIFFERENT CAREERS WITH DIFFERENT SALARY. </p>

<p>Sorry but this isn’t getting into your head. This debate should just end.</p>