<p>I read the books that say "Early is a better game". How so? These days everyone is applying everywhere because there is no certainty of admission in the college that you like.</p>
<p>also if multiple competetive students apply to the same IVY from one school, the college will allow one student for EA/ED. Is this true? Doesnt make any sense.
Please let me know your insight</p>
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<p>No, it isn't. Two years ago at my D's school three students were admitted EA to Harvard (which is no longer an option) and I believe four ED to Penn.</p>
<p>I did a post on this just a few minutes ago. See</a> here. Be sure to read the Harvard</a> study I mentioned.</p>
<p>If you don't believe that, take it straight from the horses' mouths. </p>
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<p>Ivies do not set quotas for high schools.</p>
<p>At my daughter's high school last year, two students were admitted ED to Dartmouth and two to Cornell. So I don't think the "one per school" rule applies.</p>
<p>Note that Penn blatantly says that legacies had better apply ED if they want any sort of legacy preference. Some people suspect that this policy applies at other colleges at well, although few are as open as Penn in admitting it.</p>
<p>Marian, Booklady and warble, Thanks much.
Read the links.Very positive about EA/ED admissions.
I agree that Yale and Stanford will have little less acceptance this year because Harvard and Princeton dropped EA.</p>
<p>by any chance would you know which one prefers more community svc and varsity activiities between yale or stanford? I see my son is still dwelling on the decision for EA.</p>
<p>ED is ONLY for students who KNOW where they want to go. MANY students change their mind over the course of the fall, as they do tours, etc. </p>
<p>Our guidance office says ED is "only for true love." Don't apply ED just because you think it will help you get in. You could end up like the old saying, "Be careful what you wish for."</p>
<p>At several info sessions I've heard several colleges say that ED doesn't help you get in; they just admit a higher percentage of ED students because they tend to be stronger applicants. I'm not sure I believe that, though. I hadn't seen the quotes above where some schools come out and tell you your chances are better ED.</p>
<p>Keep in mind that a good amount of the ED spots are going to be taken by hooked applicants; </p>
<p>recruited athletes- because coaches want to have their roosters set, Legacies- because they are attempting to follow the strong family tradition and this is the way they show their continuing love for a school</p>
<p>some URMs (not so many because they will still be URMs in the RD pool) </p>
<p>competitive students who know that this school is their first choice </p>
<p>full freight payers (becasuse basically applying ED means in exchange for an early decision, if accepted you will attend (regardless of the aid package).
You will not have the opportunity to compare packages, and if released for financial reasons, it is usually to attend the more affordable option like your state U.)</p>
<p>I don't think that the ED pool is necessarily easier because if the school feels that they can do better and you don't meet the institutional mission, there will still be more than 10,000 applicants to choose from in the RD pool.</p>
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<p>And it's only for those who pretty much know that the $$$ will be there to pay (either because parents will pay or that EFC is so low that one is certain that f/a will be forthcoming).</p>
<p>Jlauer, You brought up an interesting point.
If my son applies for Yale EA, should he ask for F/A? or does he lower his chances even more by doing that b/c the collges are looking for EA students who are ready for the full freight?
There are so many uncertainties!!</p>
<p>Yale is need blind so having a financial need is not a factor in admissions. So if you need aid you should apply for it because as they say life is what happens while you are making other plans. If you have a change of life circumstance that affects you financially you can always contact the FA office and inform them (if you don't apply for aid you will have to apply the next year).</p>
<p>However, I suggest that you run your numbers through a couple of financial aid calculators to see how much you may have to pay. Yale and most of the elites will determine your EFC based on your income and assets and will tell you how much they feel you can afford to pay (they do not care how much you want to pay ).</p>
<p>Keep in mind that Yale uses the institutional methodology to calculate FA (the fafsa , the CSS profile and will ask about the income and assets of both parents ( non-custodial parents, if divorced and remarried the step parents also) they will also look at home equity).</p>
<p>If need aid and parents are middle class - do not do ED.</p>
<p>EA is best option</p>
<p>Take some chance and apply early EA or ED.</p>
<p>robinhood</p>
<p>need money??? That's a problem with ED. Yale won't care either way when it comes to their decision to accept. Needing F/A won't change their mind, BUT.....</p>
<p>If you need for a college to provide a certain amount and type of F/A (free money), then ED is a problem because you won't know in time for ED deadline (cuz F/A packages come out much, much later (which is why ED has been called a benefit for the rich since only they know that they can afford to pay full freight.)</p>
<p>That's why people who need F/A often don't apply ED, they don't want to commit that they'll go to a certain college (if accepted) and then find out that their F/A package comes up short or is only a bunch of student loans that will difficult to pay back. (Don't forget, at various colleges, F/A is not always free money - it can be in the form of loans, work-study programs, etc)</p>
<p>If you need f/a, then apply EA (to schools that have EA) and apply regular to those who don't have EA. That way you will have time to look at all your F/A offers and then decide which is best.</p>
<p>Do you know what your EFC is??? Have you used an EFC calculator??? Also consider the above advice - some colleges use a method that includes the income of ex spouses, and step parents.</p>
<p>If neeed money then yale and Harvard offer very need based good pacakges - based on first hand experience. If money is not an issue, see and apply ED colleges</p>
<p>Schools have an incentive to admit as large a portion of the class from the ED pool as possible: it increases their yield--because virtually all of the ED admits will enroll. This is probably somewhat true as well with EA (although it may not be true this year with Yale's SCEA, because of no ED at Harvard and Princeton).</p>
<p>Hunt... I agree</p>
<p>However, I think some ED schools are make use of "defering" a number of applicants to keep their "options" open. The ED school can still accept those kids during the regular admissions period and still be pretty sure that they will accept.</p>
<p>For instance, a friend applied ED to UPenn (he's from a state where UPenn doesn't get many applicants). UPenn deferred him and he heard it was because UPenn wanted to see if any better applicants from that state came thru during regular admissions (He had not taken Calculus). I guess there weren't enough "better" applicants from his state, so he got in during regular admissions. I'm sure UPenn knew that he would accept since he had been an ED applicant.</p>
<p>Very good info. Yup It's time for me to open my spreadsheets and work on the EFC numbers. My officemate went thru it last year. So I am workig on it.
Yes EA is a better option for those who need F/A. I agree.
Thansk friends,</p>
<p>You all seem to be so experienced. While on the EA subject, let me take a poll on the stats,
Can you tell me if my son has any chnace for Yale EA?
I know this year EA would be pathtically tough. But...
Appreciate your comments. Any idea how to improve his chances??</p>
<p>an Indian male kid attending a public school in NJ</p>
<p>Took most rigorous course curriculam including all honors and 10 AP courses</p>
<p>W-GPA 4.35 (few B's)
school doesnt rank
SAT 1 2100 (will retake)
SAT II Math 2C 800, Chem 750/Bio 760
AP BIO 5 AP History 4
Won 4-5 science awards as part of school team
Won 2 individual science awards at couty/state level</p>
<p>congressional gold medal
lots n lots of community hours
summer research for 3 yrs, a co-authored research paper in process for publication
worked as a paramedic
have 5 varsity letters for 3 sports</p>
<p>Robinhood--You might do better posting your son's stats on the Yale forum, although my sense is that far more students than adults frequent it. What is his unweighted GPA? Class rank? Does his high school regularly send kids to Ivy League schools?</p>
<p>Yes, AdmissionsAddict. Thanks. I saw you in the Yale room too responding to few queries in this line.
His UWGPA is 3.8
school doesnt rank - he thinks that he is in top 5-7%
Yes the school sends a lot of kids to ivies</p>
<p>ED and Finaid</p>
<p>Finaid candidates can apply ED (D2 did and is a happy frosh at her ED LAC). The colleges offer prelim finaid packages with the ED admission - - and of course, if the finaid pkg is too low, the ED candidate can w/d from the otherwise binding agreement.</p>
<p>What you give up by applying ED is the oppty to compare packages. But since comp institutions tend to offer similar packages, I though it was worth the "risk" -- $2-3K from an equally prestig sch wouldn't have been enough for me to say know to D's #1 school, now would a large merit award from a lesser sch. </p>
<p>Also, since you DO get the ED school's finaid pkg, you know whether the ED sch is affordable - - even if you don't know whether some other sch might make a better offer. In our case, D's ED choice came in at about $2k above EFC, which was later adjusted (based on unreimbursed med expenses - - D3's orthadonture) to just below our EFC.</p>
<p>Finally, many ED schools will allow you to roll-over to the RD pool. Techincally, you give up your ED seat (but once you've been admitted ED, you're more than likely to make the RD cut) and the colleges don't increase the finaid pkg, but rolling-over does allow you to compare all finaid offers before making a decision.</p>
<p>My sense was that the last thing the college wanted was for ED finaid candiates to feel "cheated." But - - D chose a sch that gauranteed to meet 100% of need (I would not have permitted ED app otherwise) and one where students are reportedly "happy w/ finaid."</p>
<p>Almost forgot - - there is no "one student, one sch" rule. At NYC day sch and the top boarding schs multiple students apply and are accepted ED to all of the top LACs and unis. Also, I notice that at the day schs finaid applicants are NOT discouraged from apply ED.</p>