<p>Whoa…all colleges and “cheap, party state schools” have programs that are strong and challenging. My guess is that every Ivy League school has less-challenging majors, as do all universities. Just matters what path you pick, based on what interests you. it’s what you make of wherever you go and how hard you choose to work. What’s “easy” is totally subjective.</p>
<p>Fantastic - truthfully, everybody is curious to know how they would fit into a school, especially ivy leagues. Glad somebody made a post about this.</p>
<p>There are a lot of smart people here. Many Deadheads too!</p>
<p>Antiflamer I would not be surprised if Cornell did let someone with a 1530 in. And thats all 3 sections. Don’t get me wrong I love Cornell. Its admissions process is one of the things I like about it. If you impress them in some way and you have poor test grades and a poor gpa, you can actually get in. And by that I mean the CAS school not just the state schools. Their also not a race monger school like Columbia. Meaning they wont let a black in with a 1530 and not let a white in with that same score simply because of skin color. Sorry if that don’t make sense.</p>
<p>Like I said somewhere above, it is less and less about sat at top schools these days. it is still very important but not like it was a few years ago, especially at the ivys.
at the top state schools it is still super important</p>
<p>here is my post on this from before:</p>
<p>hey you guys, I just saw your posts. don’t take this stuff so seriously. Just make a truce and call it a day. SAT scores are a big thing here on cc because it is a way to compare the objective. If you guys actually knew how many unhooked kids get into HYPS, cornell and others with real low scores because they have something else special, you would be amazed. Upenn for example indicates that scores are now just “considered” , one column away from not considered. Upenn according to my college counselor at school is probably going sat optional next year, like NYU. we had 2 ed admits to upenn in December - unhooked with 1920 and 1940 sat, but they both had a nearly perfect 4.0 with all ap courses taken and very strong ecs. sat is becoming less important everywhere, especially at UPenn, and I think Cornell also looks at it less than they did int he past.
just chill out. no big vocabulary words allowed on cc.</p>
<p>Thanks, this is kind of what I meant by the question, are a good percent of the school kids with “hooks” and low grades and sat scores? if so is it a significant number, I’m not sure if this is true but I remember seeing somewhere that 7% got in because of athletics.</p>
<p>Also, everyone keeps saying that 1530 is bad for Cornell, but if he did that well on the other section that would be 2295, why is that such a bad score?</p>
<p>^1530 for three sections. 510/section</p>
<p>Cornell released numbers showing that last year they accepted about 1100 (total recruited athletes and legacy)
scores mean less and less these days
the trend is to put less emphasis on scores
UPenn already says they are next to not considered and only considered.</p>
<p>This is not optimism. It’s delusion. Good luck, not that it’ll help you that much if you have a 1500 unless you are say, emma watson. Then I welcome you :D</p>
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<p>Is that even possible?</p>
<p>If a 1530 is even possible, it would be extremely difficult, not impossible with great great and amazing ecs, and if your family has been a major contributor - then you have a shot
no hook as important as the money hook, but very few are able in this economy to give the big money.</p>
<p>extremely difficult is an understatement. Near impossible is more like it unless your family gave them a really large amount of donations. But then again, that’ll be just like bribing your way in so why bother with chancing or sats for that matter.</p>
<p>Reality is that there are a lot of kids at Cornell and even HYPS that have generous families.
It is not a bribe at all. Tuition dollars don’t pay for top faculty recruits or buildings
that is why you see names on buildings
at colleges, hospitals, etc
thanks to the generous families, we get a better education
sometimes the generous families have smart kids, sometimes not,
but it makes sense to give them top priority
never met anyone that disagreed with that
the gym you will use at cornell wold not be there without some very charitable people; if there kids have half way decent stats, they should go to the top of the list for sure
that is a fact of life, not a bribe</p>
<p>I’m fine with it. I’m just saying that those people don’t need chancing threads.</p>
<p>agreed, no they don’t need chancing, that is for sure
but I am very happy that those generous people are out there,
these days especially, their family should get super top priority
when I here kids say that it admissions should not give an edge to those kinds of families, I laugh. without those families, cornell may not be in business.
a lot of kids out there with perfect stats, but not a lot of generous families out there.</p>
<p>dude, I wasn’t confused reading deadhead’s post.</p>
<p>To the question of “is it possible to score a 1530”-</p>
<p>Yes, it’s possible when you’re a lazy piece of **** like I was in high school who didn’t understand that learning is an asset, not a chore. I really don’t get insulted when people’s eyes pop out of their head when they see my score. I view my score as an indication of both my failures and my current success. 1530 is just a number - not a value.</p>
<p>I’m a transfer student, so technically I do not have to submit my SAT scores. At the same time, I understand that I would have to substitute that with something of value.</p>
<p>“Is everyone at Cornell really smart?”</p>
<p>SATs are not exactly IQ tests, but they were derived from them, so IMO those are the best objective measures to use as proxy for intelligence, however imperfect. Here’s the class profile Cornell released for last year’s freshman class, on an aggregate basis. The profile for each of the specific colleges would be different.</p>
<p>SAT I CRITICAL READING
750 ‐ 800 17%
700 ‐ 749 27%
650 ‐ 699 27%
600 ‐ 649 18%
550 ‐ 599 8%
500 ‐ 549 3%
Below 500 1%</p>
<p>SAT I MATH
750 ‐ 800 39%
700 ‐ 749 26%
650 ‐ 699 20%
600 ‐ 649 10%
550 ‐ 599 3%
500 ‐ 549 1%
Below 500 0</p>
<p>That’s just current freshmen. The freshman class stats have tended to go up, so presumably the upperclassmen as a whole started out a little weaker than this. Though some of the poorest performers from those classes may by now have left. (As have some few of the highest performers, perhaps). It is widely speculated that transfer students as a whole had lower stats, out of high school, than entering freshmen. However this cannot be confirmed since these are not published. About 12% of all enrolled undergraduates are current or former transfer students (this # may be wrong).</p>
<p>As for what levels constitute “smart”, or “really smart”, that’s up to the reader to decide.</p>
<p>Ok, thanks for the stats. I think that this does illustrate that there were definitely some kids who got in off of hooks and not academics because in all seriousness the 4% who got below 600 in math and the 12% in CR IMO show that they are definitely not “Cornell level”, what do you think about some of the lower scorers?</p>
<p>Also, i’ve always been a math/ science kids, not really enjoying english/ history as much and I was wondering if, as a whole, Cornell has more math/ science kids or english/ history kids. I know people are going to tell me that it depends what college you are in and what major, but overall as a whole do you feel that more kids like math and science or english and history more?</p>
<p>“Yes, it’s possible when you’re a lazy piece of **** like I was in high school who didn’t understand that learning is an asset, not a chore. I really don’t get insulted when people’s eyes pop out of their head when they see my score. I view my score as an indication of both my failures and my current success. 1530 is just a number - not a value.”</p>
<p>You sound like the exact type of transfer students i do not want in my school. We want self-motivated people and I want to surround myself with capable peers. You are one of those people who realize that they screwed up near the end of high school when everyone else who worked hard got into good colleges and regret it after because you see that everyone else has a bright future ahead of them and you don’t. Well guess what? Your one year of effort does not equal the four years that everyone else had in high school. It’s called maturity, which you didn’t have. You’re a tool. In my opinion, your 3.8 in community college means nothing. You had second chances throughout your four years of highschool. You’ve gone past that.</p>
<p>By the way, that number is pretty indicative of your value to the college when you have nothing else to rely on. If by some chance you get in with that less than 0.09% (you are not even an athlete) and my school gets crowded with sheeple like you, I might as well transfer out ASAP. In my eyes transfers to schools of this caliber should be people like Rudy Ruettiger who demonstrated his strength of character and his value to the school even though his grades and records were not so. I want such worthy people in my school.</p>
<p>Actually, I might not care that much. Getting my grades curved higher may not be such a bad thing.</p>