<p>Yeah but what if it’s Apple? </p>
<p>IMO, there is an over-saturation of universities/colleges, degrees, and research publications in this country. Yes, I cringe when universities like UC Merced are created and people tell me they majored in Philosophy. But competition and mistakes ought to weed out the more useless institutions through the next few decades. I expect Penn State to fall into this category as well.</p>
<p>Theres no way the flagship state school in the 6th most populated state in the country thats been around since 1855 is going to fall into that category. That’s just ridiculous.</p>
<p>Another point that helps Penn State is that it is 2.5 hours away from the state that is the largest exporter of college students in the US, and where thousands of students have money to pay out of state tuition.</p>
<p>The Freeh Report (which PSU commissioned) could be a great development for PSU! The salvation of PSU must come from within, and I have no doubt many in the PSU faculty and administration (yes, even in the administration) welcome the Freeh Report as a catalyst of change and rebirth.</p>
<p>PSU always stresses honesty and integrity. The fact that some high officials did not practice what they preached does not mean the students had been taught the wrong things. In fact, the initial reaction of the students showed the opposite: they THOUGHT an honorable man was made a scapegoat and they would not stand for that.</p>
<p>Do not feel sorry for the current and even the incoming students. They will continue to learn the same science and engineering, and now they will also learn a great lesson in life. They will learn about adversity, prejudice, hatred, crime, punishment, perseverance, maturity and character in a way that’s far beyond the usual “college experience”. Who knows? They might be better for it.</p>
<p>Students, do not worry about future employment. There will always be people who want to label you by your race, religion, sexual orientation, and now, your bad college president and football coach. If you don’t get to work for those people, that’s not a big loss. Go work for someone else and prove your worth. PSU did not become the darling of corporate recruiters because of its football program. The employers are satisfied with their PSU hires so they keep coming back for more. Simple as that.</p>
<p>I have no connection to PSU besides that my wife and I work for a large research university just like it. Our son is not at all interested in football, drinking and parties. PSU remains high on his list because of Schreyer and the major he wants to pursue. He has not changed his mind and that’s fine with us. The students who should reconsider are those who picked PSU for the wrong reason in the first place.</p>
<p>The short term problems PSU has are:
<p>In the long term PSU will be fine.</p>
<p>Reasonable students will still want to attend. They’ll understand that the bad acts of a few do not define the institution. They’ll know that they will get an outstanding education, appreciated by employers, along with the amazing quality of life Penn State offers. Some more sensitive kids might avoid it because of the accusatory remarks of others (like the students had anything to do with what happened). The university might have to find a way to increase the availability of merit aid to incentivize top students to keep the academic standards up in the short run. Time will pass, the media will find another scandal to lock onto, Penn State will get back to greatness.</p>
<p>you have to be stupide to think that in the short-term, all this negative publicity won’t hurt Pedophile University in multiple ways. Long-term, maybe 25+ yrs, things will ‘blow’ over</p>
<p>@bud you’re jumping the conclusion that football will get canned with the “loss of football revenue” - I’m still hoping the NCAA doesn’t succumb to the national lynch mob against PSU right now and realize that they need to let the courts handle this one.</p>
<p>It’s going to be interesting to see what the admissions office does with this years class - if nothing “improves” from now until October you could see another really large incoming freshman class. Probably expecting a low yield.</p>
<p>Etuck I expect football will stay at PSU but they will not be a top 20 team. They will recruit good kids but not 4 and 5 star kids with problems in their past. They will need kids that stay out of trouble as well. The program will be kept in check. The result will be a weak to average team, no TV time, no bowls and decreased revenue (by 10-50M).</p>
<p>I don’t know man, O’Brian is doing a hell of a job recruiting despite the scandal, the recruiting class is one of the best in years this coming year.</p>
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<p>PSU hasn’t missed a bow in 7 years, and this year alone out of the 4 games announced for television and time on the schedule, 2 are nationally televised on ABC, and the other two on ESPN. I can’t see the locals not turning up to games either - if anything I think it might be a rallying cry for everyone to show up and support and the team to give everyone something positive for a change.</p>
<p>Maybe. I think PSU wants and needs a squeaky clean football program more than a ranked program right now. Remember this problem started in the football program.</p>
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<p>I think that sentiment is becoming more widespread among employers. The longer it takes for PSU to clean house and shut down the football program, the more long-term damage that will be done.</p>
<p>But going back to the OP’s question - now is not the time to attend PSU if you can get into a similar school - and there are many - elsewhere.</p>
<p>I’m going to be very blunt here. Anyone who honestly thinks the quality of education has anything to do with this scandal is an idiot and isn’t someone I’d want to work for. I think some of you want PSU to totally fall apart as a university, as though that would somehow help the problem of child abuse - but that doesn’t mean it will happen.</p>
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<p>Can you tell me what this is based upon? From what I have been told, recruiters are not shying away from PSU at all, and I know in the program my son is in - all the May graduates had at least 1 job offer.</p>
<p>Only small-minded individuals would blame this tragedy on the students attending Penn State and earning solid degrees. And those individuals are not the ones I would want my son working for under any circumstances.</p>
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<p>wow this is actually very intriguing. As a student who chose Penn State for “Academics,” I can assure the OP that going to Penn State is not a BAD idea, instead, it’s going to be the best decision you’ll make during your lifetime.
I chose Penn State because their Business program, and the fact that a lot of job recruiters choose Smeal Colleges students over other students. Sure, their football programs and other goodies may come in hand, but that shouldn’t be the ultimate decision of your choice. Unless you get recruited to play a sport in University, sports shouldn’t be the top priority when it comes to deciding which college one wants to go. (although this is my opinion)</p>
<p>I mean honestly, do you really think you’ll be raped by a 70 year old guy in Penn State after the scandal? No. In fact, Penn State would probably reinforce their security systems and make sure it doesn’t happen again. So basically, you’ll be safer than before. </p>
<p>I’m so excited to go to Penn State, and I hope you do too(if you decide to go that is) ! :)</p>
<p>And to MrBladder, please notice people who post in this Penn State threads are mostly students who are interested in coming to Penn State; therefore, respect them as humanely as possible. I mean, I read some of your posts and you downgraded Penn State as if you are a man who was dumped by a girl who you were obsessed with. Were you rejected by Penn State or something? Have some respect even if you have something negative to say.</p>
<p>Penn State is MUCH more than its football program. And now, the school has an opportunity to prove it. OP, if you’re not choosing your college based on its football team (and my guess is you’re not), don’t dismiss Penn State.</p>
<p>Again I’m going to Penn State and it wasn’t because of football</p>
<p>The point is that there are equally strong options like U Pitt, UIUC, UW-Madison, UVA, Univ of Michigan, etc., etc… Why not attend a school that doesn’t have the taint or financial hardship that PSU is going to have?</p>
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Because most of the taint and financial hardship will not affect the average student in a dramatic way, especially compared to other issues. Even with a tuition hike to pay for some of this mess, tuition for in-state students is likely to be lower than comparable tuition at the other schools you listed. Academics remain strong at PSU, and depending on the exact program of interest going elsewhere may be a compromise in the quality of education. There are other issues as well - proximity to family and friends, the desire to be near or far from familiar people and surroundings, etc. This should not be an automatic decision for anyone who is seriously trying to identify a school.</p>
<p>If you live in-state and you must go to school in-state for financial reasons, then the scandal shouldn’t be a huge factor because you only have Pitt as an alternative, so the decision must be weighed carefully. Or, when you don’t have a choice of where to go to school for academic reasons (your high school GPA/SAT scores kind of stunk) and you’re limited to PSU, then the scandal shouldn’t be a huge factor either. </p>
<p>But that’s not what we’re talking about here: There are parents saying their child chose Penn State THIS YEAR over Ivy League schools and other top universities. That’s just moronic. </p>
<p>It’s like going to a restaurant and the waiter says the fish has high levels of mercury but the steak is fantastic. If you only have enough money for the fish, you get the fish. But if you can afford the steak, why even bother with the fish? And then you yell to the table next to you, “I chose the fish!” Yeah ok, see you in the bathroom…</p>