<p>Oh really? And yet ... Harvard has the highest 6 year graduation rate of any American university, and finishes 2nd only to Princeton in the USNews measure of "student satisfaction."</p>
<p>Those things are rigged</p>
<p>Oh, ok - if you say so.</p>
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Those things are rigged
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<p>I love the huge amount of supporting evidence you use in your arguement. I stand in awe.</p>
<p>/not really</p>
<p>Can someone please explain how an ED plan can raise selectivity compared to an EA plan?</p>
<p>It may depend on what you mean by "selectivity".</p>
<p>I think what was meant by that, sleet, is that when you have ED and it's binding, more slots are locked away so that the RD pool is competing for less spaces. This makes the percentages look like the school is more selective.</p>
<p>Oh, my. Settling for Princeton? How silly of me to have fallen in love with Princeton when obviously Yale and Harvard are the better choice simply because of their names...It's not like Princeton's one of the best if not the best undergraduate universities in the nation/world, or anything, and that even in hicktown Wacko, Texas, its name is recognized.</p>
<p>Residential colleges do not define an undergraduate education (although they certainly do help, and Princeton has plenty for its undergraduates first two years). Quality of undergraduate experiences do. Princeton and Yale both offer stellar ones, so there's no need to debate that. They're both committed to undergraduate education; we all know that. While I'm more inclined to place Princeton slightly higher than Yale on that point (simply because Princeton lacks the large graduate school presence that Yale does), I think it's absolutely ridiculous to argue that one is significantly more devoted than the other.</p>
<p>Princeton's matriculants are just as qualified to get into any of the other top schools, imo. I know that when I walk through Pre-Rade with the rest of the Class of 2009 next year, it won't be with a bunch of people who "settled" for Princeton. They'll be some of the nation's brightest, most energetic collegiates, and that's nothing that can be taken away from the university. So yes, it's HYP...and S...and M...and the hundreds of other colleges that offer the best educations for their students. This prestige thing is such crap, especially among the top universities. Princeton's great. Yale's great. Harvard's great. They're all great. The minute differences between them aren't worth arguing over, in my opinion. Maybe the larger ones (like location), but not the little ones.</p>
<p>Wackkkkoooo</p>
<p>(sorry phil, I had to do it)</p>
<p><em>rubs temples</em></p>
<p>Oh, zante. OHHHH, zante!</p>
<p><em>does riverdance</em></p>
<p>lol, well I guess you can rub your temples while you riverdance, since they don't use their arms/hands anyway...</p>
<p>I wonder what % of H are Pton rejects, and vice versa.</p>
<p>For historic reasons, Harvard and Princeton have had less of an overlap than Harvard and Stanford or Yale. In most years recently, Harvard's greatest overlap has been with Stanford, with Yale second, and Princeton and MIT trailing in 3rd/4th place.</p>
<p>Reportedly, about 3/4 of common admits choose Harvard over Princeton, but that doesn't necessarily relate to the number admitted at one school and denied at the other. Based on limited statistical evidence, however, I'd say that people admitted to one of these very select schools are more likely than not admitted to any other to which they apply. (See the discussion of Princeton admissions stats in the "Revealed Preference" study, however.)</p>
<p>Mr. B., Who are the authors of the "Revealed Preference Study"?
Do they have an affiliation with the institutions they are studying?</p>
<p>You might want to read this paper - where a related series of points are made by Professor Robert H. Frank of Yale:</p>
<p>Mr. B., I didn't get the answers to my previous questions. Your not avoiding them are you?</p>
<p>I choose not to argue with you further.</p>
<p>lol byerly =D how we love ignorant people. </p>
<p>did you know that 72% of all statisticaly information are made up on the spot =D</p>
<p>byerly do you even look up the statistical information you claim to cite? lol. </p>
<p>fyi, harvard and princeton share a significantly fewer number of applicants that harvard and stanford and harvard and yale =D just if u wanted to know</p>
<p>I didn't know we were arguing. Its just interesting that you would present a study without making full disclosure. I was giving you the opportunity to tell everyone first that the Revealed Preference study you keep touting was drafted by a Harvard employee. In my world they call that a tainted report. But I'm sure it was just an oversight on your part.</p>
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Surely you realize that the drafters of the ever-changing U.S. News criteris also attended college at one of these schools. The original authors of the 1983 rankings were graduates of Princeton University and the University of Virginia. Who knows who is in charge of it now, but it is also tainted by school associations.</p>
<p>One difference is that the Revealed Preferences study is conducted like legitimate research and can withstand peer review. It's straightforward and simple. It is 100% based on actual student preference. And Princeton comes in 6th while Harvard and Yale come in 1st and 2nd. </p>
<p>The peer review paid for by U.S. News said that "there is no rhyme nor reason to the weightings of the various statistics". Only a fool could not see that the U.S. News rankings are total crap.</p>
<p>You Princeton people never cease to amuse though.. always trying to be more like Yale. "Hey, those residential colleges are nice... maybe we should be more like Yale here at Princeton! Then people would associate us with Yale..." </p>
<p>50 years later (today)... "These residential colleges still aren't working out as well as Yale's... let's try to make some of them EXACTLY like Yale's because their undergraduate experience is better!"</p>
<p>And then people like you try to claim that Princeton is better than Yale when your administrators are modifying the Princeton undergraduate experience to be more like Yale's at this very moment.</p>