<p>I mean OK for example, last year, Harvard killed 89% of its applicants rite?</p>
<p>Other ivy leagues are like 10 - 20% admission chances???</p>
<p>But really, how many of them are unqualified??</p>
<p>50% just aiming too high? theyd think theyd give it a shot because they have the money. and might as well rite??</p>
<p>great that leaves us with 50% qualified people..</p>
<p>then the 40-10% is like people who are qualified but who messed up some way like... low sats, crappy essays, low gpas rite, asian, stereotypical A students???</p>
<p>then thus the 10% who get in are just 2300+ and have actively participated in two clubs/sports... written an excellent essay through the aptitude in which they have managed to get the above...</p>
<p>so really, when the magazines are talking about OH those amazing students who are in the math olympiad or found a cure for this certain strain of cancer... those are like 20% of the students admitted into IVy aka 2% of the overall apllicants...</p>
<p>its not really that hard to get in rite??? i just need 2300+ sat, 2 leadership positions in clubs/sports, and a great essay.. easy?</p>
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<p>Just take a look at the past years' lists of accepted/rejected/waitlists of Harvard (and Princteon/Yale) and note the number of 2300+, 2 EC's, good GPA applicants from CC that were rejected.</p>
<p>Windslicer is right. I used to be really cocky too until I saw the decision threads. A little disheartening, to say the least. A 1/10 chance of getting in isn't as easy as it sounds...and it doesn't sound very easy at all...</p>
<p>as we recently learned in Daniel Golden's new book, 60% of the class at each ivy is comprised of hooked candidates: recruited athletes, URMs, legacies and the rich and famous. The other 40% of the class has to make up for their stats.</p>
<p>Also, it is said that 80% of applicants are qualified, but I do have my doubts that it's true at Harvard when you look at these boards and see stats of people "throwing in an application for kicks." i think HYP must get tons of unqualifies applicants from all over the world.</p>
<p>Suze, about your authoritative book: Do you believe that all admitted recruited athletes, URMs, legacies, and those who happen to have famous parents all are generally unqualified and lacking in stats?</p>
<p>I know two people recruited for crew at Yale, one for soccer at Princeton, and one for softball at Harvard. The two crew guys had 2300+s. Soccer was a Presidential Scholars semifinalist (i.e., 1590 or 1600 of 1600, and one of the top 12-ish people ec/essay wise with those test scores in the state). Softball was the president of a 6,000-person student organization across the whole state, including organizing a 1,000-person convention. “Only” a 2250. I know that’s purely anecdotal, but still…</p>
<p>If anything, I would think that legacies tend to have stronger scores than the general pool of applicants, because one or both of their parents had the stats to be admitted to an Ivy.</p>
<p>Implying that URMs are generally unqualified is old-fashioned and kind of insulting. Are there enough smart and well-qualified black applicants to make Harvard happy? Yeah. Smaller percentage of applicants than of black people in America, of course, but enough. Maybe they have a midrange of SAT scores 20-30 points lower than the Asian kids, big whoop. It’s not like there are only 2 black people with enough stats to be qualified and the rest admitted to the Ivy League are really rather unqualified, with each college fighting to get the least unqualified. The black people I met when I visited Harvard were all just as qualified as the white kids, including a dancer with international recognition and one who was, while majoring in biology, mopping the floor in her Japanese class as well.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t trust the book so much as to say the other 40% are “making up for” the unqualified-except-for-the-hook-ness of the other 60%, if the statistics are even right. (I haven’t the foggiest–they may be, but I feel like it would vary a lot even between the Ivies.)</p>
<p>CC over exaggerates the difficulty of getting into Ivy League schools. The Ivies are, of course, extremely competitive in terms of admissions, but you do not need 2300+ SAT scores and national championships or w/e to get accepted to them. I know plenty of very intelligent, but “normal” kids at Ivy League schools. Most students at those 8 schools, contrary to CC beliefs, have not cured cancer or single-handedly ended conflict in the Middle East.</p>
<p>i agree with you nyyankees2012, at least i hope you’re right since i haven’t done any of that nonsense except i think for me it’s even more of a stretch cause my EC’s are pretty damn weak</p>
<p>Let’s look at the stats provided by Harvard’s admissions office:</p>
<p>Acceptance rate: 8%</p>
<p>Top 10% of high school students: 95%</p>
<p>SAT score (25/75 percentile): 2080-2370</p>
<p>ACT score (25/75 percentile): 31-35</p>
<p>Even if we write off a quarter of the people at Harvard as undeserving, unfairly admitted, non-white and stealing someone else’s place (minorities alone seem to account for 30% of the student body, but I’ll generously assume that some of those people have managed to overcome their genetic disadvantages), we are left with a SAT score of [(2370-2080)/4]x3+2080=2297,5 for the average hard-working Harvard admit of sufficiently good breeding (assuming even distribution of scores between 2080 and 2370 for simplicity; sounds in keeping with the scientific methods employed elsewhere in this thread).</p>
<p>So if you’re in the top 10% of your high school class and have scored 2300 or above on the SAT, your stats won’t be held against you by the Harvard adcom. Yep, sounds like lax standards to me.</p>
<p>(Sarcasm aside, how can anyone believe that 60% of the student body at Harvard is made up of people who don’t deserve to be there, when–admittedly simplistic–interpolation shows that the 60th-percentile SAT score of Harvard admits is slightly below 2300? OH NOES, BROWN PEOPLE, MUSLIMS, ATHLETES AND LEGACIES ARE CHOSEN OVER ME. Well bud, should’ve built a few more orphanages to compete with their test scores.)</p>
<p>However, it’s true that getting into some other schools from the Ivy League might be easier. I know some right idiots going to Cornell, Columbia and Brown…</p>
<p>Hahah. Get good at squash and have smart parents that went to the school you’re applying to. Also make sure they donated money. That was my surefire plan to get into Columbia with a 3 point ooohhhh ;)</p>
<p>Haha that’s funny because you’re judging my intellect on a silly two sentence post on this site. Maybe Im actually intelligent and my GPA was so low because I was depressed throughout high school because my mother committed suicide or my dad had to file bankruptcy and sell the house. Your quick judgement shows that you’re as ignorant as yu think I am.</p>
