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For the love of god, at people on here again screaming "morals" when the OP specifically asked to put those aside.
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I'm amused by the concept that we should care about what the OP wants when he's the one who asked us to put morals aside.</p>
<p>you cannot "put morals aside".</p>
<p>OP.</p>
<p>your next step will be to lie on your resume...then you will lie to your spouse...your boss.</p>
<p>your children.</p>
<p>do not go down this path.</p>
<p>^Sure you can. You just lack the ability to filter it out. hahaha.</p>
<p>I don't get caught up in lies, I was only asking a simple question. This topic sure brought out the idiotic, judgmental, and downright ugly in quite a few users. You could say me included, but I'm done with this anyways. I'm certainly not a "tool" for asking and while I WAS implying that I <em>might</em> do it, I've decided not to. The consequences aren't worth it.</p>
<p>Again with the CSU system not factoring in ECs thing...I don't think there is even space on the application to <em>put</em> ECs down. Assuming the Sacramento State app is similar to the Fullerton and San Francisco ones (which are the only ones I looked at).</p>
<p>whatever OP.</p>
<p>I would never hire you.</p>
<p>good luck w/ your approach to life.</p>
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I'm amused by the concept that we should care about what the OP wants when he's the one who asked us to put morals aside.
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I understand. No one is required to follow whatever he says. At the very least, I was saying that this thread is bait for flaming and morally bankrupt accusations (Which the OP invited, I know), and instead of 50 repeated posts on "You're immoral", it may be a better option to answer the question and leave it at that.</p>
<p>Eh, whatever. I agree that this thread is fail.</p>
<p>I actually thought about lying myself, although guilt got the better of me and I refrained from doing it. But it wasn't too much of a lie, adding an extra year in a club I participated in.</p>
<p>^Lots of people do that. Just don't make a topic about it, the hypocrites will come in and assault you for bad character! lol</p>
<p>alamemom - I'm not lying. This question would never of crossed my mind if I didn't know anyone who was getting away with this. If she hadn't told me she did it, I would've just used my own EC if needed. At the very least, it's relieving to know that it's not necessary. Although Sac State wasn't my first choice, but I suppose beggars can't be choosers.
jdjaguar - Likewise to you. The fact that you can't post a relevant reply says it all.
longhorn_007 - I'm the "a55wipe"? Take a look at the filth you spout. hahaha.</p>
<p>Is this grade school? Judging and insulting me only belittles your own morals. I certainly hope some of you aren't aiming to be lawyers. Failing to recognize a topic and replying for the hell of it could be a problem.</p>
<p>^I AM an attorney, OP, and I can assure you that your "do what's expedient and morality be damned" philosophy won't get you hired at any reputable law firm, including mine. I think that most of us on this thread understood the "issue" just fine -- whether you understood it, I'm not so sure.</p>
<p>^THIS topic wasn't asking for morals. You are wrong. We are talking about this topic here.</p>
<p>"do what's expedient and morality be damned" - is only for this topic. I don't carry that attitude IRL, not when presenting myself.</p>
<p>If your lie is big enough to give you a significant admissions boost, it can easily be found out.</p>
<p>If your lie is small enough to not be found out, it's too small to give you much, if any, boost.</p>
<p>So why lie?</p>
<p>Don't lie on an application. if you do, you don't really deserve to be applying to colleges.</p>
<p>What was the name of the MIT Admissions director who lost her job for lying on her resume? Mary???
Big enough example for you ? Maybe it will seem to work for a while -- but eventually it will catch up with you.</p>
<p>^^Marilee Jones</p>
<p>How about describing the things you do, even if they aren't typical ECs? Lying is not a good idea.</p>
<p>the answer is YES.</p>
<p>Just make sure that it is impossible to find out that you are lying.</p>
<p>For example, under work experience, put "worked as tutor"</p>
<p>It is impossible for a college to tace this, but it will look good.</p>
<p>Minor clubs really wont boost ur app, its significant ec with long time devotion and leadership that can possibly make you stand out against others who are just like you</p>
<p>i dont think its worth the risk</p>
<p>like theendusputrid said, it is safe. Just don't lie to much. Don't write hundreds of hours of cs b/c they could call your couselor, or even look up the organization you worked for. It seriously does not matter if you put many EC's, colleges don't really care. Like ^ said, commitment is what is important</p>
<p>My friend had a 2.8 GPA and decent SAT scores (~1200/2000). She was ranked in the bottom 20% of our class. She showed me her resume- it was FULL of fabrications and truth stretching. She outright invented 3 clubs that I know don't exist. She claimed participation on two varsity sports teams that she's never played. She claimed membership of 5-7 different clubs that she probably never stepped foot in. The awards that she did have were stretched out- for example, if getting 1st place at a certain competition technically makes you district champion and qualifies you for the state competition, she would put all three- "1st place", "district champ" and "national qualifier"- all on different lines and completely separated from each other to appear as 3 distinct awards. </p>
<p>When decisions rolled around for our second best state university, guess what? She was accepted! They say that they accept 6% of applicants ranked in the bottom 50% of their class. Guess the lying paid off for her.</p>
<p>Go ahead and lie a little. It's not like ECs mean anything after high school anyway. </p>
<p>And to all the people here who think putting some extra clubs and activities on an undergraduate college app is a judgment of morality, I have one thing to say:</p>
<p>LOL!!!!!!!!!!!</p>