<p>Is that just MD or does it include DO? Also I've heard you can graduate from Canadian/European med schools and practice in the US?</p>
<p>DOODE lax, how 3.0 getting into a med school offering an MD is like a miracle. and 28 is a bit subpar. I don't know what you are basing this off of. </p>
<p>I think there are too many variables to actually make a good argument on either for either side. There needs to be more specific detail to each profession.</p>
<p>Does the OP even remember the original question he posted :rolleyes:
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Is it tougher to become a doctor or an engineer?
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One can become an engineer after undergrad without post-undergrad education. One can't become a practicing physician if he/she doesn't get into med-school, pass med-school, pass board/licensing exams. There are fewer hoops to jump through to become an engineer.</p>
<p>God, are you kidding me Lax?! :rolleyes: Where's your data?!</p>
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Does the OP even remember the original question he posted
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<p>If you read through all the posts, the question was changed to "Is it more difficult to go through the process of (1) PhD in engineering, work at a highly regarded company like NASA (consider the working conditions in terms of difficulty in engineering research, independent state of PhD, stress, and risk in failure of projects) or more difficult to (2) go through the process to receive a MD and practice in a specialized field (considering the difficulty in getting into a elite program, the stress of long hours, the risk of malpractice, the early financial "hole" as a young adult).</p>
<p>The question is about the whole picture of both occupations, about the steps to attain each goal, and the conditions faced when holding the titles. Hope this makes a better argument for both cases.</p>
<p>Of course it is easier to become an engineer. You just need to get a B.S from any ABET-accredited program, take the FE, gain about 4 years experience, and then pass the PE. A doctor would have to go through at least 4 more years of school and more stress. Why would that be of discussion then? :D</p>
<p>LAX, you surely must be kidding. </p>
<p>That'll get you into a Caribbean med school, maybe. You can get a MD from Canada/Europe, but when you try to practice here and get residencies, you'll be limited to Family Practice, Geriatrics, etc. Specialized residencies are VERY hard to get into if you're foreign, as you have to be extremely good. And, there aren't THAT many DO schools.</p>
<p>Furthermore, getting into DO programs is getting harder as well. Many of the better DO programs are starting to overlap with MD programs in terms of difficulty of admission.</p>
<p>DO degree has been pretty difficult the whole time...in my eyes its just a huge misconception that DO programs are a lot "easier" to get in than MD.</p>
<p>Lax, how good of a job you get as a doctor depends a lot more on where you do your residency rather than where you went to med school. But I doubt you can get a good residency in the US if you went to some mediocre med school in the carribeans with a 3.0 gpa (that's all you would probably get into.) If you think the lower ranked med schools are easy to get into, then you better think that getting into engineering school is a walk in the park. If getting into med school was easy (top med schools aside) and landing a job thereafter is also easy, hell, who would want to go to JHU or harvard or columbia?</p>
<p>I think the difficulty is split down the middle. Being a successful (not referring to income) doctor can be harder than being a good engineer just in terms of the style of job. If you're doing family practice and a patient comes in, you can't really wait to consult with another doctor if you're not sure whats wrong with the patient. I mean you could, but that'd seriously make you look incompetent. If someone is rushed into the ER, spewing blood from every pore in the body, the doctor has to make a split second decision on what to do, or the patient will die. Engineers have all day to make a judgement call. If we're talking about an innovative design in building structure or whatever, and it fails, its much harder to point fingers at one specific person, since engineers usually don't work independently (especially if its 'innovative'). Point is engineers aren't stupid, if there's a flaw in whatever was designed, others will see it. When you're a doctor and you give the wrong treatment, it's your fault because you're the one with the MD, not the nurses, not the technicians, not the EMTs, for not realizing it (lest there were other doctors in the room who also didn't know better). However, the stuff an average doctor does on a daily basis is probably more mundane than what an engineer who has to come up with new ideas everyday to make a living does</p>
<p>i think it's equally challenging to be the top of either profession. the key is being the TOP.</p>
<p>it is much easier to be a mediocre engineer than a mediocre doctor.</p>
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it is much easier to be a mediocre engineer than a mediocre doctor.
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Hmm ... why do you say so? I think it is equally as evident that you are no so good from the consumer's point of view.</p>
<p>If you're bad, you're bad.</p>
<p>I agree with bruinboy. I believe it is easier to just get out of undergrad with an engineering degree and be a "mediocre" engineer straight out as opposed to doing undergrad, getting into med school, doing your residency, and then being a "mediocre" doctor. This digressed from the topic of being at the TOP of your profession however.</p>
<p>One doesn't even need to attend college to get a domestic engineering degree :rolleyes:</p>
<p>doctor is longer and harder</p>
<p>I'm longer and harder</p>
<p>than BoHa.</p>
<p>^I beg to differ, Ms. Pink seeing that I've tried you both. In any case - both a disappointment.</p>
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^I beg to differ, Ms. Pink seeing that I've tried you both. In any case - both a disappointment.
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:( :( :( :( :(</p>
<p>its all about SchoenbergHall (aka me) :D</p>
<p>As an engineering undergrad an engineering student will learn more than a med student.</p>