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<p>And your source is? Moreover, how do you define “merit”?</p>
<p>Agreed, silverturtle. Girls certainly tend to make better grades in public schools, but those grades are only rarely based on merit. Usually, grades are more closely correlated to compliance (in the publics that I am familiar with, anyway).</p>
<p>It’s a very good thing kids aren’t admitted “by the numbers,” which is what I think PrepVet meant by “merit.”</p>
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<p>Purely in my experience: teachers tend to slightly favor (with respect to grading) those of the same gender. Because most high-school teachers are female, females may be predisposed to receiving higher grades. This is supported by the facts that females do indeed have higher grades but do not score higher on standardized measures.</p>
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<p>Now it has jumped to many from one at my D’s Prep School. Nice, very nice. Stop making up stuff or we will make a trip to your D’s school on your budget. :D</p>
<p>Pulsar: The “one” I spoke about is a phenom, but there are others who are very smart. Some are also very average and none of them got into any HADES but did enter the approriate level schools where there is hand holding and nurturing. The high achievers did very well this admissions season and will certainly handle the rigor of the tougher Boarding Schools. My budget, cool! lol</p>
<p>[At</a> Colleges, Women Are Leaving Men in the Dust - New York Times](<a href=“At Colleges, Women Are Leaving Men in the Dust - The New York Times”>At Colleges, Women Are Leaving Men in the Dust - The New York Times)</p>
<p>Speaking at a College Board conference several years ago, admissions officers agreed that a 60-40 female-to-male gender ratio was their upper limit. After that, said former Macalester College president Michael McPherson, students will take notice. Small private colleges are now using what can only be called male affirmative action to increase male enrollment: actively recruiting men by emphasizing their science, math and engineering courses, adding sports programs (in violation of Title IX), sending extra mailings designed to attract men and even calling men to remind them of the admissions deadline. </p>
<p>Probably no one will admit it, but I know lots of places try to get some gender balance by having easier admissions standards for boys than for girls, said Columbia University Teachers College president Arthur Levine to The New York Times national correspondent Tamar Lewin. Robert Massa, vice president of Dickinson College in Carlisle, Penn., has said that the school now evaluates prospective male students less on grades and more on measures where they typically do better, such as SAT scores. Adds Goucher College admissions vice president Barbara Fritze, Men are being admitted to schools they never got into before, and offered financial aid they hadnt gotten before.</p>
<p>Massa reported that the number of first-year males at Dickinson rose from 36 percent to 43 percent in 2001 after they took affirmative action toward men, who were admitted with lower grades but comparable SAT scores. Women, meanwhile, had to be much better than men to make the cut: Nearly 62 percent of the women accepted to the school ranked in the top 10 percent of their high school class, compared to 42 percent of the men.</p>
<p>This new form of affirmative action, even if begun with all good intentions, could lead to bad college-admissions policy. What if a university decides it doesnt just want more men in attendance, but more white men? The whole notion of affirmative action as a way to help disadvantaged populations succeed could be turned on its head.</p>
<p>As fireworks said this is typical Prepv, going off topic and saying a lot that is not relevant. The thread is about whether URM is a hook or not. No one said men are smarter than women or vice versa. If you think men are given preference to meet quotas, why don’t you admit that URM are given preference to meet quotas?</p>
<p>off topic??? Since when are you not allowed to explore other examples to augment ones position on a given subject? Everybody has a hook, not just URM’s as the “male” example amply proves. It’s cool to harp on URM’s without everyone discussing the total realm of multiple “hooks” that they are benefitting from. It’s amazing how some of us like to harp on others perceived advantages but never want to discuss our own. Sleep well!</p>
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<p>Prepv, If you want to be taken seriously, answer the questions posed to you, however difficult they may be for you. :(</p>
<p>Quotas are hard numbers which Boarding Schools or Colleges don’t technically do. I’m sorry you want me to answer with what you have pre-determined my response should be. I’ll try again Pulsar, the schools want diversity and will meet that macro goal each year dependent on the strength of each years applicant pool. Again, Boarding Schools will not admit students, URM or otherwise, that are not qualified to meet their standards because that sets them up for failure. They want success and it does not augment their stellar reputation to admit URM’s that are only going to fizzle out and return home unsuccessful. It’s a waste of FA money, Teachers time and bad press once the student returns home a failure because a school admitted an applicant they knew could not handle the rigor of the course load. Everybody has a hook, not a quota!</p>
<p>Puslar, forget it. P.V. will spin and slip like an earthworm. He won’t accept or state the obvious even cornered, and will cite a strange data point here or there as an exception, etc. to not answer what’s asked of him. It’s pointless debating on. </p>
<p>Pretty soon, he will make a case that everyone has a “Hook” except the URM’s.
More guilty feelings for all…</p>
<p>… Again, I just want to say that I do support Diversity in colleges and BS’s in principle, it’s just I am unhappy with the way it’s being pushed or pursued in reality. It leaves so many unfair loopholes for certain group of people to exploit the situation, detrimental to the long term health of the whole system / Nation.</p>
<p>I agree. Oh wait, do I see another long post from prepv? :D</p>
<p>pulsar you forgot to mention completely and every sense of the word, irrelevant </p>
<p>i have never seen anybody spew more BS then prepvet
she has no data, no proof, she is not an adcom, she is just another goddamn helicopter parent, talking out of her butt about something that she knows nothing about. i’m surprised her D even got into any school with a helicopter parent this bad.</p>
<p>Prepvetern = PV
PrincipalViola = PV
Coincidence?</p>
<p>I think YES. And to go any further remember Principal V= PV ?</p>
<p>pv est un ■■■■■</p>
<p>Pulsar & Hcos: The crutch used is broken. URM’s are not taking anything from you and believe it or not they actually have extremely smart kids out of the 40 million blacks & 45 Million Latinos. Diversity is pursued to shatter the myth’s in your small world that a URM can never be as smart or smarter than you awesome, brilliant, above the rim intellectually, suburban Pulsar & Hcos. You guys rule! My D didn’t just get into Deerfield, but many of the schools you guys pant over. Helicopter parent? Nawwwwww… not me! Growing up in a bubble with a skewed perspective of the world, it appears to be you guys. Time will season your perspective hopefully and perhaps the schools you go to will open up a new world for you, a thought process not constrained by popular spewed stereotypes about others. You will be accepted or denied based upon your own efforts and accomplishments. Everytime you point a finger, remember you heve three pointing back at yourself. Work hard and stop the projectionism. Everybody has a hook. My D did just from being born into the majority race in this Country and the financial affluence of her Parents, the affluent community she lives in, and the great Prep School we could afford to send her to. It is what it is.</p>
<p>prepveteran, clearly u dont understand this process. urm is definitely, an advantage in applying. i dont know what their life is like, but in the admissions room, it gives them a slight “hype”.</p>
<p>So long prepv! :(</p>