<p>Quite a few kids from my school go to NYU Stern for MBA studies. I was wondering if NYU Stern is comparable to Harvard Business School. I know the undergraduate program is phenomenal, but I don't know much about their MBA program.</p>
<p>While HBS is better by conventional standards in terms of an MBA, NYU Stern is nothing to scoff at and is among the best business schools in the country.</p>
<p>There’s really nothing “comparable” to HBS.</p>
<p>Harvard Business School is in a league of its own.</p>
<p>Not even Stanford GSB?</p>
<p>Rutgers2013 the poster above over states the relative worth of an MBA from Harvard. It is not in a league of its own, just on the top of the rankings, and for good reason, it is an excellent business school. It is most comparable in terms of quality and prestige to Wharton and Stanford.</p>
<p>add kellogg and sloan to that elite group</p>
<p>stanford is comparable, the others are elite, but not comparable to hbs</p>
<p>ps kellogg’s acceptance rates is around 20% (often higher) that’s not very elite imo</p>
<p>NYU is a good school, and one can land an outstanding job out of NYU but it certainly isn’t on Harvard’s level. BTW, few kids get into any graduate business school. Also, what the applicant wants to do upon graduation should play a role in his/her choice.</p>
<p>ignorance must be bliss. first of all, kellogg’s acceptance rate in '08 was 18.8% and was 16-17% for this app cycle. wharton’s hovered near ~17-20% for the past couple of years as well and will probably be around %15-16 for this year. does that mean haas and nyu are more competitive than either w or k? for that matter, looking solely at acceptance rates makes haas appear as competitive as hbs!? really!? more subpar candidates are applying to cali and nyc programs simply due to location and lay prestige. also, w and k have huge classes 1200+ students. the smaller programs always have lower acceptance rates because they have smaller classes to fill. </p>
<p>the reality is that the best candidates i know apply to some permutation of h/s/w/k. as an ex-banker and now vc, i can tell you that all the top colleagues of mine applied to these programs with some of them looking also at cbs and sloan. surprisingly, only a few of them looked at booth, another stellar program. and a very few of them also included haas and tuck into that mix. </p>
<p>for your knowledge, i have no affiliation with any of these programs.</p>
<p>Kellogg’s acceptance rate is consistently higher than that of the other top schools (aside from Booth, which suffers from the same regional bias). Is it still an outstanding school? Yea sure, should it be considered #4? I’m not so sure.</p>
<p>Also, for your knowledge I have an affiliation with Northwestern, but still see it as slightly overrated re business education.</p>
<p>Here is the most up do date information I know of:</p>
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<p>HBS - 3.66 720 11.5 % $144,261 Yield = 90%
Stanford - 3.64 726 7.5 % $140,771 Yield = 75%
Wharton - 3.50 714 16.3 % $136,676 Yield = 69%
Sloan - 3.54 708 15.0 % $131,087 Yield = 67%
Columbia - 3.40 709 15.1 % $130,281 Yield = 79%
Kellogg - 3.51 710 19.4 % $130,365 Yield = 58%</p>
<p>And you call me ignorant?? Who ever gave you a job where you deal with numbers?</p>
<p>my numbers, which i grabbed off another page were what, half a percent off? really, you’re going to crush me because of that? look at those numbers carefully…they’re almost identical to each other. whether it’s yale som or wharton, almost all top10-15 mba programs have eerily similar stats. stats don’t show the entire picture! do i have to reiterate that solely looking at application figures, haas looks damn near as competitive as any of the programs below. but we both well know that isn’t true…unless you’re going to argue about that as well…</p>
<p>you might have a point on yield but even that’s tentative. cbs utilizes ED (huge bump in yield). sloan has a tiny ass program that attracts a very specific techie population (easier to convert admits) - trust me, the guy working next to me is a sloanie. and you’re using yield data from 2008 (just a snapshot). when the cap markets were better, programs like wharton and chicago gained a bump. i guarantee you that yield is going to be higher for kellogg in a market like this. i remember seeing kellogg yield figures from 2002-03 and they were around 65%. these numbers are in flux and no way can you make huge generalizations on one data point. </p>
<p>all i know is what my colleagues and friends are doing at the best private equity/vc firms (which applies to banking as well). all definitely apply to h/s. most apply to h/s/w/k. some also apply to chicago, cbs. fewer yet to tuck and berk. and for your knowledge, kellogg is tied with w for 3rd in usnews and has been ranked #1 by bweek the most number of times (rightly so or not).</p>
<p>I agree that all the top schools have similar stats, I simply stated that NU lags the other top schools some. This is particularly true with Kellogg’s yield, which is a very telling #. </p>
<p>Stats may not tell us everything, but what would you suggest we use it their place? Our “feelings”? We must go off the best information we have, and Kellogg trails the other schools mentioned in every category.</p>
<p>The fact is that while Kellogg is an excellent business school, it is in the midwest and is attached to a larger institution/brand that is very good, but not as good as the other schools I listed. These two things hurt it relative to the other top schools.</p>
<p>I agree with you re Haas, but then no one ever said that it was the #3 or 4 school did they?</p>
<p>The B-week ranking is basically meaningless for obvious reasons, here is a small sample of its ridiculousness: michigan>stanford&Columbia, Chicago>HBS, Duke>Sloan, Tuck at #12??? You’re seriously going to quote that ranking, it has zero credibility. There are plenty of nonsense rankings out there, no need to quote them.</p>
<p>Did I mention that I have a connection to NU, yet I’m still arguing against it? I have no agenda here other than promoting reality.</p>
<p>well, i’ve made my case against yield and stats. the latter is way too similar across most top bschools to warrant significant attention. yield, i’ll admit, is one proxy where statistics would reveal only that h/s are perhaps more popular destinations than their peers. i love it that you pointed out that bweek is BS but you had no comment with regards to Kellogg’s ranking in usnews (tied w wharton for 3rd). whether you like them or not, usnews and bweek are still the only rankings that people fortunately or unfortunately care about. while i too think that bweek rankings are skewed, i find the specialty rankings useful - [National</a> Graduate Specialty Program Rankings: Interactive Table](<a href=“http://bwnt.businessweek.com/bschools/graduate/08rankings/specialty_usa.asp]National”>http://bwnt.businessweek.com/bschools/graduate/08rankings/specialty_usa.asp).</p>
<p>to your point about northwestern, i think it makes the reputation kellogg has garnered that much more impressive. and lets be frank, the parent institution is still considered one of the best, just not on the level of harvard and princeton. did you have a bad time at nu, whatever you were doing there? would you rather go to yale som, which rides its parent institution rep but still manages relative mediocrity!? </p>
<p>anyway, dude, i have no beef with you. the “ignorance” comment was just a joke. i’m willing to play numbers with you anyday however:P</p>
<p>and for your knowledge, i went to one of these institutions for ug. </p>
<p>keepin it real,
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<p>Where did you find that number for Stanford’s GPA?</p>
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<p>Your numbers on class size at Wharton and Kellogg are 50-100% off and I’ve never seen NYU having a lower acceptance rate than Wharton in any year. </p>
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<p>In my IB analyst class and among other peers, classmates, friends, Kellogg was no more coveted than Columbia, MIT, Tuck, UChicago. Since you mentioned B-schools in relation to friends in PE positions, I thought I would lift an analysis from another thread on here of a poster who was concerned about Kellogg’s placement into HF/PE firms in comparison to other top MBA programs:</p>
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<p>Your reality must not jive with actual reality in the case of Kellogg.</p>
<p>omg, who is this nitpicky ■■■■■■■? seriously. i believe wharton has a total class population of ~1600 and kellogg 1250 or so (i said 1200+, sheesh man). berk has about what, ~600, and sloan, ~750? i’m sorry dude, didn’t mean to bust your cherry with that one. and did i claim stern specifically? i was implying that nyc programs get a boost in apps because of location. and stern’s acceptance rate is DAMN close to wharton’s for that matter (what, are we off by a percentage pt or two?). the whole point was, well, i don’t feel like repeating myself if you didn’t get it the first time. as for those buyside numbers, i have a hunch they’re totally off. minus IM (which i personally don’t give a rats ass about), i’m sure it looks more like h/s 15%, w 8-9%, k/chi/sloan/cbs ~6%. and generally speaking, finance tends to be less popular at k and s. but the stellar guys i know at both institutions do well - check the names at madison dearborn for instance. anyway, my convo is done and you didn’t say anything new except to nitpick about exactly what i was saying we shouldn’t nitpick about. sorry if my reality don’t jive with yours…</p>
<p>I don’t think the USnews rankings are perfect either, I was just pointing out that Bweek is ridiculous. The FT is more credible than business week and ranks Kellogg outside of the top 20 worldwide (#10 in the US). Granted I think this is a bit low, but #3/4 is also a bit high (IMO). Personally I’d say it matches up closely with Sloan and Columbia, but maybe lags them very slightly. This is debatable though.</p>
<p>Northwestern is a great school overall, top 15 for sure. But, compared to the parent institutions of the top business school it is competing with, NU is relatively weak. This detracts some from Kellogg. </p>
<p>I have nothing against Northwestern at all, it is a great school. Actually I think Northwestern/Evanston come pretty close to the ideal college/college town. To give you a hint as to my connection, several of my family members could have gone there for free, yet they all picked better schools elsewhere. I never applied, but the scenario would have been the same for me had I looked there seriously. Again, I’m just trying to be honest about the fact that while Northwestern is a wonderful school, it pales in comparison to the Harvards and Stanfords of the world. </p>
<p>Also, for the time being, I’d still take Kellogg over Yale SOM, but I’m not sure it will be that way 10-20 years down the line.</p>