<p>MosbyMarion is a total idiot who has no understanding of what he is whining about. I’m not even going to bother trying to explain it again. It would be like trying to teach a rock.</p>
<p>^ Well, dismissal of opposing view isn’t really an effective tactic in debate…</p>
<p>Obama does not know what he is doing, end of story.</p>
<p>^ Ok…</p>
<p>One- Most politicians don’t.
Two- Obama did not actually write, implement, vote in, etc this bill. So if you’re against the bill then it isn’t that Obama doesn’t know what he’s doing- it’s that the entire Congress doesn’t know what they are doing.
Three- Care to elaborate?</p>
<p>^All you need to do is look at his politics. I don’t feel a need to continue a debate that will waste my time. It’s just not worth it.</p>
<p>^Translation: You have no idea what you’re talking about and are avoiding the topic by saying that your views are self-explanatory in an attempt to cover up your —.</p>
<p>^ I like pro’s translation.</p>
<p>^Really I just like making people like you mad who like to waste your life writing paragraphs to people online about political views that really no one is going to change their opinion based off of. Seriously, there are 6 billion people on this earth and I see no point in subjecting my views to those few on here who will not even listen to them and make naive responses like the one you have just done. You honestly think you can make a statement like that from something you have seen online? Reality check needed very quickly. Life is full of disagreeing viewpoints and people typically will not change their minds, so why waste your life talking about something that won’t matter. Here’s just some of what I do not agree with Obama on which will only make some people mad and others happy: his stance on Abortion, his views on Iraq, his mission for the school system, etc. Why should I prove to you why I feel he does not know what he is doing? What, because you are a member of Congress or a member of one an Interest Group? No, you are probably some high school student (or undergrad college student) who thinks they have everything figured out.</p>
<p>^Ok, well if you really feel that way, you shouldn’t have posted inflammatory remarks in this thread in the first place. If you say something controversial, you’re expected to either defend or withdraw your statement. I’m sincerely sorry if you’re unable to do so.</p>
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<p>Actually, truth is, most people are like Play-Doh.</p>
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<p>So…instead of making some people mad and others happy, Obama’s supposed to make everyone happy?</p>
<p>…right.</p>
<p>^ I agree. If you won’t defend a statement, you should retract it.</p>
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<p>Yeah! Exactly just like… erm… wait…</p>
<p>I have free full heath care benefits</p>
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Believe me, I’m happy to let you go bankrupt with unexpected medical bills as long as you stroke out promptly afterwards. Same goes for eating unhealthy food: it’s perfectly fine with me if you have a coronary at age fifty as long as we just let you kick the bucket there. Unfortunately, society doesn’t tend to work that way. People without insurance don’t quietly vanish from society; they go to the ER and stick the system with a big charge that they can’t cover.</p>
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<p>Causality. If you want to **** around, go away. And dietary advisors would do wonders for this country.</p>
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<p>How is it that you’re somehow exempt from the scope of the government. That’s amazing.</p>
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<p>So are you opposed to the existence of the FDA?</p>
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<p>I would still disagree, but there are certain things you just have to accept.</p>
<p>^^ Do people ever go to the emergency room for orthodontist work? Or psychological counseling? Or a lot of the thing we are now required by law to have coverage for? It might be reasonable to require everyone to either buy “Emergency Room Insurance” or set up another way to pay for it (live a savings fund) if we’re going to require emergency rooms to take in all patients. But this bill goes WAY farther than that.</p>
<p>^Psychological counseling? Really? Mental health is a basic right. Without it, people go spraying other people with bullets. Which is generally not good. Okay, so it usually isn’t that dramatic, but poor mental health really is a drain on the economy.</p>
<p>And some people on this thread really need to try understanding social contract theory…</p>
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<p>And therein lies the heart of the problem.</p>
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<p>My personal life should be. Skydiving is dangerous. Does that mean the government should ban it? Or do people have a right to take risks they think are worth taking? If you don’t agree with me that people’s personal lives are their own business, then you need to re-think your views on a number of other issues.</p>
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<p>The FDA exists to make sure people know what they are getting before they buy it. It makes it EASIER to make choices, not harder. The equivalent for healthcare would be to require all insurance to comply with certain standards in order to be called “full coverage” or “emergency coverage” or whatever the terminology is. When the FDA requires standards because people expect them. If there was a significant proportion of the population that WANTED unenriched flour, then I think the FDA should allow it to be sold, and require it to be clearly labeled as such.</p>
<p>^^ I’m in wonderful mental health (despite the opinions of certain people on this forum :P). Even if I had coverage for counseling, I’d never use it. So why should I have to pay for it?</p>
<p>^ Same reason that females have to pay for the coverage of male vasectomies. Just because we don’t use it, doesn’t mean we don’t pay for it. </p>
<p>Oh- and never say never.</p>
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I’m not trying to say that this legislation is perfect. I’ve expressed disgust for it in the past on this forum and I’m not afraid to say that I think it’s a bad plan. However, that doesn’t make your diatribes against government legitimate or accurate.</p>
<p>By the way, many people with bipolar will tell you that they are perfectly fine. That doesn’t mean we don’t want them treated.</p>
<p>Personally, I’d like to see a system like Singapore’s:
[Watson</a> Wyatt Europe - News | Publications | healthcare matters](<a href=“http://www.watsonwyatt.com/europe/pubs/healthcare/render2.asp?ID=13850]Watson”>http://www.watsonwyatt.com/europe/pubs/healthcare/render2.asp?ID=13850)
Reread my post. Individual choices can have effects on everyone else. I don’t agree that people’s personal lives are their own business when their personal lives intersect with mine.</p>