<p>I heard that Penn has launched a campaign to better its image and has already raised a lot of money. Is it also true that it's working on it's international image too? Is Penn a recognized school worldwide already? With it's high place in the rankings, I would think that it's well on the move to be a top recognized university. </p>
<p>What do you guys think?</p>
<p>It's definitely not at the level of HYP, but I'd say it's as well-known as HYP amongst the academic and professional communities. I also have heard that internationally it is on the rise and lots of foreign students are applying to Penn as quickly as they are applying to Harvard/Yale/Princeton. As far as name-recognition goes amongst the "majority" (AKA the kids in my non-honors classes) it still needs a lot of help and is readily confused and identified with Penn State. We'll see... I hope that Penn is doing some stuff to get a bit more exposure. It's a great school and gives no less of an education than HYP does. Then again, maybe it's better off the way it is right now? </p>
<p>Prestige shouldn't be everything. Let's hope they don't waste too much money trying to be the second P in HYP...</p>
<p>I've heard that Penn's appeal is massive in Asia. An Indian friend of mine has commented that Indian students are more anxious to attend Penn than Princeton. This probably has to do with Penn's pre-professional image. </p>
<p>I agree that I hope that Penn doesn't try to be a HYP. It already is a really cool school with top notch academics. </p>
<p>I am wondering though, is Penn known in Europe? Does anyone here know that?</p>
<p>Penn is not really known in Europe, although none of the non-HYP Ivys are, with maybe the exception of Columbia due to location.
Among business people, Wharton is known to some.</p>
<p>Penn is well known in Asia but thats because many students there aspire to go to Wharton</p>
<p>I think everyone in the legitamate business world (so not Office Space) has heard of Wharton at some point in their careers. It's Wharton after all.</p>
<p>Penn isn't known in Europe except for maybe by the few students that want to study business. </p>
<p>It's big in Asia because of Wharton and Engineering. Penn's shtick is that it's a pre-professional gunner's paradise. It's the only Ivy with a u-grad business school, and most know that u-grad b-schools are usually whack. </p>
<p>Penn gets flack from the HYP (including Dartmouth and Brown) types because of the pre-professional image, because it's not in New England (too urban and lacks the boarding school feel) and because of the high influx of international students (who are viewed as gunners). This flawed image of the school is constantly perpetuated by the NE boarding school types that inhabit places like Dartmouth. I think this is an unfair characterization of a great school but at the moment it seems like Penn isn't up to countering these myths. </p>
<p>When I visited Penn, I saw an entirely different school that what was described to me. The inside of the school actually looks better than the outside of the school. There were some rooms that simply floored me. The architecture was amazing, Gothic like and reminiscent of some of the constituent colleges at Oxbridge. It was really the most elegant campus I have ever been to (with the exception of Yale and Princeton, but certainly better than Harvard). It still surprises me that this school does not get enough credit.</p>
<p>"There were some rooms that simply floored me."
haha</p>
<p>A lot of people are getting pumped about penn in Costa Rica ( which is the only place I can really talk about)... Still, right now, it is mostly popular among students at expensive private schools/high class families, but the popularity is definitely spreading ( though the lack of need blind sets back a lot of students with less resources).</p>
<p>Penn has done a great job of beefing up its international image. As a big research university, it's much more well-known in foreign countries than a place like Dartmouth. Some even say that Princeton isn't as famous outside of the U.S. as Y and H because it doesn't have a big grad school presence that churns out international recognition.</p>
<p>Wait I thought Penn was need-blind? </p>
<p>And I don't understand what's wrong with being a "gunner" (unless I don't actually know what the definition is?) ...to me, pre-professional is the way to go!</p>
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<p>Then you must be a gunner yourself. It's not really bad, but just a tad annoying. People tend to like those who aren't trying so hard to be the best but are rather natural at it.</p>
<p>My friends know Wharton, not Penn.</p>
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<p>Understandable. If it was the other way around it would be strange.</p>
<p>QuakerOats, Penn is not need-blind for international admissions. It is if you are a resident of the United States (and Canada I believe).</p>
<p>I've read that Penn's international prestige is very impressive and still growing. Wharton is a part of that, but there is certainly more to it than just the business school. Penn is very welcoming towards internationals and I think that has more to do with it than anything else.</p>
<p>"Then you must be a gunner yourself. It's not really bad, but just a tad annoying. People tend to like those who aren't trying so hard to be the best but are rather natural at it."</p>
<p>So which one's the gunner?</p>
<p>--Edit: Posted just as you did Chi-Town. And I didn't know that! That's interesting but I guess it makes sense.</p>
<p>This gunner nonsense is getting to me. Everyone tries their hardest. Gunners probably just talk about it more, which makes their striving so utterly apparent. But this doesn't cheapen their achievement! Even the kids in my HS class who weren't necessarily "gunners" still worked absurdly hard, they just never discussed it or did it in a public place.</p>
<p>Stop using the word "gunner," its label is misleading. It shouldn't connote stupidity.</p>
<p>Oh okay so a gunner is a kid who tries ridiculously hard in school. I guess that would make me more of a Palestinian militant throwing rocks and twigs.</p>
<p>Here in Bangalore, Penn > Princeton, which is quite nice. However the legacy of the British Empire still lives on as they regard Oxbridge as the center (or centre) of the academic universe.</p>
<p>Yeah. I mean, they're pretty good schools.</p>