Is the academic perception of Football Powerhouses hurt by their football popularity?

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<p>Sounds like Coach Williams was pretty wrong… I believe that Lou Holtz made similar comments about the future of ND when he left.</p>

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<p>Since Lou Holtz left, Notre Dame has not sniffed a national championship. This is because, during the Holtz era, ND accepted “Prop 48” and community college students. Because of this compromise of academic and admissions standards, ND’s last national championship in 1988-89 will be forever tainted.</p>

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<p>You are humerous if nothing else. Thanks for the entertainment…</p>

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<p>Apparently some Notre Dame fans don’t reference their data nor qualify their lists labeled “The Top 10”</p>

<p>[Athletes</a> Show Huge Gaps in SAT Scores - The Paper Trail (usnews.com)](<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/blogs/paper-trail/2008/12/30/athletes-show-huge-gaps-in-sat-scores.html]Athletes”>http://www.usnews.com/blogs/paper-trail/2008/12/30/athletes-show-huge-gaps-in-sat-scores.html)</p>

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<p>So, schools like Annapolis (Navy) and West Point (Army) would not be included in the survey along with other schools that did not meet the criteria.</p>

<p>Btw, how did Notre Dame football do against Navy last year?</p>

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<p>You missed about 100 other references for this data too… And references to gather data from all 54 of the schools. </p>

<p>I am not a ND fan, so don’t know how they did. Just find it funny how many posters on here like to make comments with no statistical data to back it up.</p>

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<p>Yes, I am a lot more fun than a typical Notre Dame football game, although it’s extremely entertaining to watch ND lose to the Service Academies. The face on Jimmy Clausen’s face after last year’s Navy loss was priceless. Almost as priceless as the look on his face as he dropped out of the 1st round of the NFL draft this year. Too bad he never learned the Catholic litany of humility.</p>

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<p>Give it a few years… Jimmy Clauson and Brady Quinn will be leading there (purposely used this word for ctyankee’s sake) teams to the UFL championship to play one another.</p>

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<p>I see why you are such an apologist for Notre Dame football admissions standards. Compared to Ohio State football players (818 SAT), the ND football players (899 SAT) are real geniuses. Even your main rival, Michigan (849 SAT), is better than you. </p>

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<p>I am not an Ohio State fan because of their large SAT scores.</p>

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<p>I hope not.</p>

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<p>You must love watching Ohio State get embarrassed by SEC teams in BCS championship bowl games.</p>

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<p>I would much rather see them in a National Championship game and get embarrassed than to not be there at all. Plus, the personal satisfaction of watching Michigan implode for the past 10 years now helps get through each football season.</p>

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<p>I enjoy watching Michigan lose too! The only consolation of the annual MIchigan vs. ND football game is that one of them has to lose. The best scenario is when one team completely chokes, like ND against Michigan last year. Kind of like Ohio State against USC. It’s funny that way.</p>

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<p>Additionally, watching Ohio State participate in BCS games in 8 of the 12 years it has existed, more than any other team, helps all of us OSU fans.</p>

<p>[All-time</a> results](<a href=“http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=4809856]All-time”>http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=4809856)</p>

<p>Reference provided for ctyankee.</p>

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<p>Yep, they have a lot more resources to shelter the players. Graduation rates =/= admissions standards.</p>

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<p>Can you expand your statement? Not sure if you’re taking a shot at Stanford, Duke et al for having large institutional wealth and being willing to use for the benefit of their students. What’s wrong with that?</p>

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<p>I’m not taking a shot at anyone. But it’s misleading and insulting for someone to suggest that the difference lies in the student athletes, rather than the way they’re treated (at least if you’re going to be looking at graduation rates).</p>

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<p>profound, eh?</p>

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<p>Maybe we see it differently, but I consider the following differences to be profound:</p>

<p>6-Yr Grad Rate for Football Players%, Difference vs All Students , College</p>

<p>51% , -38% , UCLA
49% , -29% , U TEXAS
49% , -28% , GEORGIA TECH
64% , -26% , UC BERKELEY
68% , -25% , U VIRGINIA</p>

<p>89% , -5% , Stanford
92% , -1% , Northwestern
96% , 0% , Notre Dame
96% , 1% , Duke
91% , 2% , Vanderbilt</p>

<p>How do you think that the student-athletes are treated differently at the top set of colleges vs the bottom set of colleges?</p>

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<p>* it’s misleading and insulting for someone to suggest that the difference lies in the student athletes, rather than the way they’re treated (at least if you’re going to be looking at graduation rates)*</p>

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<p>Jeez, that must have been hard to read.</p>

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<p>Top 25 All-time team rankings (CFDW):

  1. Alabama
  2. Notre Dame
  3. USC
  4. Oklahoma
  5. Michigan
  6. Ohio St.
  7. Texas
  8. Nebraska
  9. LSU
  10. Tennessee
  11. Georgia
  12. Penn State
  13. Miami
  14. Florida
  15. Georgia Tech
  16. Minnesota
  17. Auburn
  18. Pittsburgh
  19. Washington
  20. Texas A&M
  21. Florida State
  22. UCLA
  23. Arkansas
  24. Michigan St.
  25. Illinois</p>