Is the school spirit really that bad???

Colleges and Universities A-Z University of California - San Diego
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<p>haha sources?? numbers?? seems like i've had help with that (thanks). haha...the only argument i'm making is that i'm willing to pay $228 for a football team because i think it's worth it. that's it. you've already made your point that you're "stingy" (your word, not mine)...i agree that you're right about that one.</p>

<p>by the way...you said: "How would it largely help school spirit if most students don't want a team?"...do you have any "tangible" sources??? haha</p>

<p>IMO!!...the marginal benefits would exceed the marginal costs. i say this without evidence because i'm not speaking representing the University of California and have no knowledge of it's finances. However, you read what mikoyl has said. The benefits of having a football team have exceeded the costs for the most successful universities in the country. If UCSD wants to continue it's growth and reputation then a football team is an inevitability.</p>

<p>However...you have agreed that a football team would be "affordable," as you said. you have gone from $228 being an "immense amount of money" to "affordable."</p>

<p>Well I believe the "lack of school spirit is due" to people like YOU!</p>

<p>you want sources?
"I'd rather save money for retirement than have a football team."</p>

<p>Who the hell worries about retirement when they're in college (as smart as it may be)??!! you're way too ahead of your time dude.</p>

<p>Not only that, but you're not willing to give ANYTHING (not even $25??!!) to the school in return for things like this, even though they're "affordable." It's obviously people like you that keep the spirit down. you're way too tight...loosen up. doesn't sound you're much fun. i hope not everyone is as tight as you at UCSD.</p>

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<p>mikoyle...couldn't have said it better myself</p>

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<p>Please, how does not wanting to spend money on a football team mean you're probably not very fun? And how would having a football team raise school spirit, especially if it's not very good? I mean, it would take quite a few years before we had accumulated enough really good players, not to mention coaches. No star athletes would want to come to a college with no reputation to play football without good incentive. Eff giving good athletes full scholarships so they will come here, while people who excell academically get nothing. If they started the football team now, they would surely suck the whole time you're in college. And I seriously doubt you would love to show off your pride in a crappy football team that never wins.</p>

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<p>of course we won't be any good for YEARS, but you have to start somewhere. if you keep using THAT reasoning then we'll NEVER have football team. you guys all just need to be more optimistic :)</p>

<p>HE'S the one that said he doesn't care about school spirit...i don't want to go to school with someone who doesn't give a crap about his school; he wouldn't even want to give an infinitesimal $25 dollars for a team (even if he'd watch it!). hes stingy...he said it himself. stingy people are no fun :p</p>

<p>stop being so selfish...so what if athletes get scholarships?? they're getting them for a reason. they're bringing something else to the school that no one else can. and i seriously doubt that those who excel in academics will get NOTHING. other successful schools manage...why can't we?? like i said, just be more optimistic.</p>

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<p>"I mean, it would take quite a few years before we had accumulated enough really good players, not to mention coaches. No star athletes would want to come to a college with no reputation to play football without good incentive."</p>

<p>I am glad that UCSD didn't have that same attitude in 1960 when more established UC schools were around. I can imagine where UCSD would be if they had that same lack of vision.</p>

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<p>^^^
UCSD is one of the youngest UCs...and look where it is now!</p>

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<p>i totally agree with 16399...even if it takes a while for the football team to be competitive i'd still go to the games, heck my high school team wasn't too great either and droves of people still went just because it was fun to hang out with your friends and yell obnoxious comments at the other team :)</p>

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<p>I also don't care about school spirit. What do you need school spirit for? I really don't understand this thread AT ALL. You don't need football, you don't need school spirit, and you don't need money, either, to have fun. And if YOU do, you sound quite boring. </p>

<p>And I wouldn't pay any money for football either. I guess I'm "stingy" as well. I don't see how that means someone is not "fun". Slorg is way too funny not to be fun. </p>

<p>I "excelled" in academics, and I got no scholarships whatsoever from UCSD, and I'm sure there are tons of people in the same position. It's not selfish to think that people should get scholarships for doing well in school rather than for doing well in sports. Sports have nothing really to do with ACTUAL SCHOOL. </p>

<p>And like already mentioned, there are other sports that UCSD already has, so why can't you just show your school spirit there? Or do you only have school spirit for football? Because that's not really school spirit, that's more of a liking of football. And if it's just to meet up with friends, why can't you just do it somewhere else? And "yell obnoxious comments" to other people you see walking by. It's really not that hard to find fun stuff to do. You don't NEED football to have fun or to go to school or to have pride in where you're going. </p>

<p>You guys gross me out.</p>

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<p>Here's the deal: some people (including you) would pay $250 for a football team. Some other people (including me) would not. Neither of us are informed enough to know whether a football team would raise UCSD's revenue enough to pay for itself.</p>

<p>There's no point in arguing this. Let's go eat cookies and drink some juice. What are your favorite kinds? I personally like peanut butter, oatmeal raisin, and chocolate chips cookies. For some reason, girl scout cookies just don't appeal to me. As for juice, I like orange juice the best. I really like to freeze it and make popsicles.</p>

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by the way...you said: "How would it largely help school spirit if most students don't want a team?"...do you have any "tangible" sources??? haha

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<p>My source is the vote that was taken by the UCSD student body a number of years ago. Most students didn't want a football team and that's why we don't have one today.</p>

<p>Why are you teasing me about the definition of tangible? Here's Merriam-Webster's definition: </p>

<p>1 a : capable of being perceived especially by the sense of touch : PALPABLE b : substantially real : MATERIAL
2 : capable of being precisely identified or realized by the mind <her grief="" was="" tangible="">
3 : capable of being appraised at an actual or approximate value <tangible assets=""></tangible></her></p>

<p>My usage makes sense (definitions 2 and 3 work); your usage is meaningless.</p>

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IMO!!...the marginal benefits would exceed the marginal costs. i say this without evidence because i'm not speaking representing the University of California and have no knowledge of it's finances.

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<p>Neither you nor I know much about the finances of football, so we can't really discuss anything intelligently. </p>

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However...you have agreed that a football team would be "affordable," as you said. you have gone from $228 being an "immense amount of money" to "affordable."

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<p>Those aren't contradictory terms. What's your point? Cars cost a ton of money yet tons of people afford them.</p>

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Well I believe the "lack of school spirit is due" to people like YOU!

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<p>Sorry for not being a football fan? Please accept my apologies. I had thought that I could love UCSD (and its other sports) and have a ton of fun there without wanting to pay $250 for something I don't care about. I guess I was wrong. <- sarcasm</p>

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"I'd rather save money for retirement than have a football team."</p>

<p>Who the hell worries about retirement when they're in college (as smart as it may be)??!! you're way too ahead of your time dude.

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Not only that, but you're not willing to give ANYTHING (not even $25??!!) to the school in return for things like this, even though they're "affordable." It's obviously people like you that keep the spirit down. you're way too tight...loosen up. doesn't sound you're much fun. i hope not everyone is as tight as you at UCSD.

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<p>It's really funny that you say this. I was one of the funniest and most involved kids in high school. I constantly played games in the back of class (connect four, scrabble, etc). I was also super involved. I had Every time I had to present current events in classes, I did stand up comedy. I had a great one in 11th grade right after the election. I joked about the demand for Bush, the supply of votes for Kerry, the invisible hand slapping voters upside the head, etc. I had another funny one last year where I did a presentation on avian flu. I inserted the names of about 30 birds into my speech. I know, that fact is hard to "swallow." But avian flu is a potential problem, and who knows what might happen if it took a "tern" for the worse? I plan to have just as much fun and be just as involved at UCSD.</p>

<p>I really don't like having to defend myself. Character assassination isn't helping your argument.</p>

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<p>everyone has different views about a football team, and i understand that. and i'm speaking from the point of view of a pretty hardcore sports fan. but one of the BIGGEST reasons that i wouldn't wanna go to SD is because we don't have a football team. why? i've been to Berkeley, and i snuck into the student section (with some help) once, and honestly that experience is INCREDIBLE. wow, there's just so much school spirit in the stands, u don't even have to like football. you have to watch any college football game for yourself to see..preferably a big name team like Cal or USC or something. you really have to see it to see why a college football team would do plenty of things to boost our school spirit. there would maybe be new fight songs we could come up with, and like someone said below, athletic boosters would give us $$$ which can only help our school.</p>

<p>College football in general really is the most exciting sport to watch IMHO, college or pro. (i'm a big bball fan too). And the cost of adding one shouldn't break anyone's bank, and I know I would be willing to pay for a team. It really gives your school a lot more exposure to the general public and it really makes you feel real proud of going to a certain school. Don't get me wrong though, I still decided to go to SD despite the lack of one..I still want my quality education. </p>

<p>And you can say UCSD may have good sports teams, but..we're D-2. in terms of spirit, you can say it's almost like high school. College football and basketball are definitely the most watched and profitable college sports. Adding a football team would do wonders to our school spirit, and really it can only do good. SMH at the SD students in the past who didn't want a team, lol. there's no harm in adding one, it can only do good. i would be content with having a team like Davis'..D1-AA or something..then movin on up. </p>

<p>if you've never been to a college football game, you wouldn't know what kind of impact having a football team really brings.</p>

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<p>And like already mentioned, there are other sports that UCSD already has, so why can't you just show your school spirit there? Or do you only have school spirit for football? Because that's not really school spirit, that's more of a liking of football. And if it's just to meet up with friends, why can't you just do it somewhere else? And "yell obnoxious comments" to other people you see walking by. It's really not that hard to find fun stuff to do. You don't NEED football to have fun or to go to school or to have pride in where you're going.</p>

<h2>You guys gross me out.</h2>

<p>there is a difference between football and other sports. i don't wanna mention it again, but you really have to see a game for yourself and you'll know why college football is awesome and is needed!! there are lots of good things that would happen with the addition of a football team. Even if you don't like it, once you see the spirit in games you'll understand.</p>

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<p>Then why is football so unpopular at foreign colleges?</p>

<p>I really admire that UCSD works to educate students from poor or uneducated backgrounds. I think the money that could be spent on football would be much better used to give students who couldn't afford college an opportunity to improve their lives.</p>

<p>hoboknifefight is totally right about other sports. We should get a huge group together and go cheer for some really unknown UCSD sports team. That would be fun. We don't need football to have fun and school spirit.</p>

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<p>Let's cheer for the Triton golf team!</p>

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<p>Case in point, Harvard (which the college system was modeled after) sells out all of their games.</p>

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<p>Actually, I think it was modelled after Oxford & Cambridge. Just wanted to point that out.</p>

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<p>Haha. Good point. They don't have football (American football) teams, do they?</p>

<p>Ok, drew. Let's find out where and when the golf team plays and cheer for them. Go Triton golf!!! Sink it to 'em!</p>