Is there something wrong with me if I can't get a job at Wal-Mart?

<p>“I think you have a very confused sense of what it’s like to be on welfare. First of all, many federal means-tested benefits REQUIRE that the recipient have a job. I understand that there are plenty of people who abuse the system, but they are in the minority. Section 8 housing has very long lines for waiting; it does not cover very many people on means-tested benefits.”</p>

<p>No, I don’t know what it is like to be on welfare. Even though I qualified for it when I moved out and became independent, I decided to look hard for a job and live with friends until I could afford my own place. I don’t have respect for people who make little or no attempt to find employment unless they are forced to in a welfare to work program. Welfare reform occurred because there was WIDESPREAD abuse of the welfare system- women having a bunch of kids so they would get more money, people never trying to get a job, etc;. I mean you have people who pay no federal taxes being the recipients of free health care, discount housing and free checks, what incentive do most of them have to better their life sitaution? Based on my experience in low income, developmental neighborhoods, most people abuse gov handouts. When they are given no incentive to change, they won’t. The only reason many of them get jobs is because otherwise they would lose their welfare checks. That is how the world really works. Yes, there are SOME people who genuinely need help, but most people abuse the system because they can, and they guilt trip middle class america into financing their lifestyle. People on welfare double dip by taking entry level/min wage jobs, because while they are working, they still qualify for gov assistance. There are a lot more people than you think that are leeching off the system for their entire lives. Putting caps on the amount of time you could receive welfare was in response to the fact that most welfare recipients abused the system. People got tired of paying higher taxes to support people who had no ambition to support themselves. I do know what it’s like to be on welfare, because I have been around a lot of people that are through my work for a CDC. The people expected the company to finance camps, provide transportation and food, and supervision. Everyone running the camp volunteered. Most of the parents were unemployed, and when the counselors asked for parent volunteers, NO ONE stepped up (there were 50+ kids in the camp). In another instance, the company ran a toy drive for children of welfare recipients. Multiple kids threw away the toys and asked where the wii video games and ipods were, because that is what their parents would by them. Which is interesting considering their parents are supposed to be too poor to buy such items. Work for a CDC for a couple of years, and you will understand why so many in that field burn out. The people they are trying to help are never happy with what they get, and always want more. So no, I don’t have much sympathy for many people on welfare. Sure, there are the 10% who truly need it and are trying to work their way up, and by all means, I am fine with that. But the system is a failure. It’s essentially a bribe by liberals to get more votes and a way for well off people to feel better about being rich. Politicians rarely make policy to help people, typically there are ulterior motives. For instance, Dems constantly support a welfare state and helping the poor. Big surprise that poor people who actually vote overwhelmingly support Democrats. It creates dependency on the system which gives politicians power to make decisions, the goal is to make people dependent on the government in order to stay in office. I’m guessing you have not worked extensively in a low income area. Plenty of people jump at the opportunity to provide sec 8 housing because they get money from the gov. There is absolutely no shortage of sec 8 housing where I have lived (multiple big cities). So many people finance these projects. No surprise that the people who own the houses are too afraid to go to the neighborhoods and check in on the residents, because many times a single mother will apply for the house, get it, then move in her drug dealing boyfriend and his friends. This has happened countless times in the neighborhood I worked in. Over 50% of the sec 8 houses turned into drug houses or gang havens. Maybe some people in DC mean well with these policies, but more often than not they are abused. That is why idealists who enter into non profit CDC’s burnout so quickly and become cynical. It’s all a system of creating government dependency, not creating a society that allows people to be independent from the government.</p>

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<p>I stopped reading here. You’ve got to be kidding me. I understand the numerous problems with welfare - trust me. But you’re very misinformed.</p>

<p>My fiance just went for an interview at mcdonalds, and there were seven people there all interviewing for the same single opening. He went through three rounds of interviews and ultimately was not hired. Even minimum wage has competition these days.</p>

<p>“Yes, there are SOME people who genuinely need help, but most people abuse the system because they can, and they guilt trip middle class america into financing their lifestyle.”</p>

<p>MOST people abuse the system? What, on a forum of college educated folks you really think you can get away with making that kind of a sweeping generalization without providing ANY data?</p>

<p>"I stopped reading here. You’ve got to be kidding me. I understand the numerous problems with welfare - trust me. But you’re very misinformed. "
I LIVE in a low income neighborhood *******. I have multiple friends who live below the poverty line working 40 hrs a week at or slightly above min wage with no health care. I’ve worked/interned at a CDC, which is in a drug and crime infested neighborhood, for the past 7 years. I have worked with numerous people who are trying to clean the neighborhood up, and with people who keep dragging it down. Like I said before, I qualify for welfare. I make below the poverty line. I am exempt from federal taxes. I know what it is like to be broke. If you actually knew what it’s like to be broke, I am guessing you would have mentioned it. Since you did not, it is quite ironic for you to say that I am misinformed. So no, I am not misinformed. I am also guessing you have NOT worked or lived in a low income, high crime area, . You don’t understand the problems with welfare based on your previous post.
You said plenty of people abuse the system, plenty would insinuate majority, not minority. Your use of terms seems contradictory.
You said I don’t have an idea what it’s like to be on welfare. I do. I qualify for it. I have friends that have been on it for periods of time, friends that have been on unemployment, multiple friends that can’t afford to go to school, so they lose their health care because entry level jobs that they qualify for don’t offer full coverage. I have been around poverty for much of my life, and I am guessing if you have had these same experiences, you would have mentioned them. Since you have not, it is pretentious of you to claim I lack the understanding of being poor, when I am poor. I honestly would say the majority of people that I have met that are on welfare are abusing the system. Sec 8 is a joke. There is a shortage because people abuse the system, and the people who deserve it don’t get it because a single mom illegally brings in her boyfriend and their friends to live with her, and she charges them rent and actually turns a small profit from it. You have not been around the system enough to understand how inefficient, ineffective and abused it is. People in washington don’t reform it because they think they’ll lose votes. Liberals like to make people dependent on the government so they can keep their jobs and get more power. In reality, the government’s involvement makes things worse. Plenty of private industries and charities that are not funded by the gov offer help, job placement, affordable housing etc;, and the gov does not need to get involved to help a lot of those people. I mean colleges have decided on their own to allow poor people to go to school incredibly cheap, meaning they are willing to give a person an opportunity based on their own desire to do good. I am fortunate that colleges feel guilty about people being in worse positions because I will pay a small fraction compared to most people that attend my school. welfare is corrupt, sec 8 is corrupt and it’s just another way for politicians to bribe voters. They expand the welfare state because doing so increases their constituency. Maybe some are doing it out of the goodness of their hearts, but most do it to keep their job. When you are an adult, living on your own and paying high taxes (which have already began to increase for people making under $250,000 through such taxes as the cigarette tax rise, and the vast majority of smokers make less than 250k) and paying off loans you will start to resent the fact that the welfare state is taking your money and redistributing to people who think they are entitled to it because they are unlucky. So few people that get benefits from the gov, whether it be subsidized housing, health insurance or free money, really appreciate it, or are thankful that other people are working hard to help them out. Instead all you hear is “we want MORE.” Maybe since you haven’t been around it, you don’t understand that point. Of course there are people who are grateful and are working to improve things, but a lot of people get complacent and become dependent on gov handouts and charities. A LOT. Even if they get something for free (health care), they find something about it to complain about. It makes so many people in non profit and CDC change careers. SO MANY. Very very very high turnaround rate. From my experiences, I don’t think most people on welfare would get jobs unless they were forced to. I don’t think most people on welfare appreciate the help. I don’t think people in sec 8 abide by the terms of their lease, and take a spot away from someone more deserving. Work for a CDC in a crappy neighborhood for a couple of years, and your views will change significantly. It’s easy to have blinders and be idealistic when you are young and aren’t supporting yourself. The thing is, even when people go from welfare to work, in many cases they still get entitlements from the gov because they are unqualified to get good jobs. The whole welfare system is not about helping someone out to get back on their feet, even if that was the intent, it’s about supporting someone’s poverty. These programs aren’t forcing them to get a GED or take college level classes, or giving them skills to succeed. They give them a bribe, force them to get a min wage job in which they still qualify for benefits, and that’s how it is for the remainder of their life. Welfare is a waste of taxpayer money. If it were doing something somewhat productive, I wouldn’t have such an issue with it. Instead it just allows people and even encourages people to float around in poverty, because once they make over the poverty line, they need to start paying their own way. There are no incentives to make people want to improve, so what is the real point of welfare? Dependency. Votes. Bribes. It’s political. Put on your real world glasses and take a gander, look at the facts, think outside of the box liberals tell you to stay in, don’t accept what the establishment tells you, and look at something objectively. Obviously schools and colleges don’t give you those skills, because teachers and professors usually teach from a very obvious viewpoint, but it’s not a hard skill to pick up. Man, you really need to get acquainted with how things actually work. Seriously, liberals guilt you into thinking WE need to provide for everyone, when in reality we should be giving people the tools to provide for themselves.</p>

<p>everything you wrote as all for naught because I am not reading that Great Wall of Text. Hell you may as well have written it in Arabic, it’d be just as unreadable.</p>

<p>^ ■■■■■.</p>

<p>Sadly, I can’t even get a job at Wal-mart either. :(</p>

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<p>I have lived well below the poverty line for my entire life. I worked 25 hours/week during the school year and forty (or more) in the summer. I live in a low-income neighborhood in a working class town, where I also volunteer extensively. I don’t live far from Philadelphia or Baltimore and have seen more than my share of slum-life. I am a QuestBridge Match with a family history of poverty. I have been on and I have been off means-tested benefits. I think I know what I am talking about.</p>

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<p>Definitely not. “Plenty” means “enough to make an impact,” which nowhere near implies the majority. Just so you are sure, here is the definition:</p>

<p>“large amount: an adequate or more than adequate amount or quantity”</p>

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<p>I absolutely have. I am living it every day.</p>

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<p>I can honestly say that the majority of rich people I have met have been spoiled and bratty. That doesn’t paint a picture for the whole of the group, it just means I’ve had an unfortunate run in with rich people. I have met a lot of people on welfare, too - my entire family, the vast majority of my neighborhood, and at least 50% of my customers at the local grocery store and the bank where I work.</p>

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<p>I understand that there are a lot of problems with the system, and there are definitely people who abuse it. I do think the system needs reform. I do not in any way, shape, or form believe or see the data to believe that the MAJORITY (or even close to it) of people on welfare are absuing the system.</p>

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<p>I don’t see need-based aid as “feeling guilty.” Colleges shouldn’t “feel guilty” that I am poor. I do, however, appreciate that they realize that college is a means of social mobility and that poverty is cyclical even for the best and brightest students.</p>

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<p>I do understand it, and I am paying taxes right now. There are always people who want more. Then there are people who NEED more. There will ALWAYS be people who game the system - but they are a minority.</p>

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<p>Well, yes. Almost any system is going to need improvement. Should we not complain about the quality of something just because it is free? Why bother to provide a free product if it is ineffective?</p>

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<p>Newsflash: I am supporting myself, and I do live in a crappy neighborhood.</p>

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<p>I think this is where you show your lack of experience. I realize you say you have experience, but if you did, you would realize that welfare does not provide a lot of money. For example, my family of five is below the poverty line and we qualify for $100 a month in food stamps. Have you ever tried to feed a family of five on food stamps? It’s nearly impossible; certainly the quality of food is lacking. That’s incentive to change. Welfare is a living, but not a good one. Not to mention, minimum wage jobs almost always suck. People are motivated to live better. The problem lies in the people who game the system to get more money. That’s definitely a problematic minority.</p>

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<p>I’d suggest the same to you. Take a look at cyclical poverty. It’s not as black and white as you think.</p>

<p>Can a certain someone kindly make use of the magic known only as paragraph breaks?</p>

<p>I’m with Tiff on this argument, even though it really doesn’t have that much to do with Wal Mart. Applicannot, you sound like you’ve done everything right in breaking the cycle of poverty, and I admire you tremendously. What Tiff is railing against (and I agree with 100%) are the people who have no desire to work hard and change their own history. I have worked in an urban core with a massive number of homeless citizens, and unfortunately my own compassion has been draining away over the years. I wanted to believe that circumstances beyond their control had a lot to do with their lot in life, and more often it boils down to a hatred of following any rules or having to report to anyone.</p>

<p>Maybe…</p>

<p>I got 3 jobs this summer (only took 2 though). All retail, and the 2 I took are above minimum wage ($8.50/hour and $8.25/hour, and minimum wage is $7.25/hour).</p>

<p>sherigmom, I do agree that there is a problem with the poor - especially the urban poor. I see no reason to believe that those problems plague anywhere close to the MAJORITY of people who are using federal means-tested benefits.</p>

<p>The snarky comments about paragraphs is hilarious. I agree, using paragraphs is a sign of intelligence. It’s funny that people get enjoyment out of those types of comments. If it’s that difficult, don’t take a programming class.
“Well, yes. Almost any system is going to need improvement. Should we not complain about the quality of something just because it is free? Why bother to provide a free product if it is ineffective?”
If someone gives me a free sandwich, I am not going to complain because I don’t like turkey. It’s better than not eating. Likewise, many reputable places accept Medicaid. The top doctors in UH in Cleveland and Cleveland Clinic all accept Medicaid. Then again, they kind of have to based on the poverty levels in Cleveland, and the fact that people in poverty tend to have more health problems than others. Especially mental illnesses. I hardly think Medicaid is “ineffective.” Your comments are actually my exact argument against universal health coverage. So, I mean, in general, if I get something for free, I don’t complain. Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth. And this is about a variety of freebies, not just health care.</p>

<p>“Welfare is a living, but not a good one. Not to mention, minimum wage jobs almost always suck. People are motivated to live better. The problem lies in the people who game the system to get more money. That’s definitely a problematic minority.”
We have a fundamental difference. Like I said, when your WORK for a CDC or non profit or an organization that is trying to help people, you will get a different point of view. I was much more compassionate before I worked in a CDC and saw what people were doing. Like you said, welfare is a LIVING. It provides a much better situation than no money. It is enough to provide livable conditions. If it was enough to live a middle class life, imagine how few people would want to get off of the system. It shouldn’t pay for everything, it should provide enough for a family to get by. Nothing in the constitutional affords the gov power to redistribute wealth or make “everything equal.” The gov should be giving just enough, because less people will accept a lower standard a living than if the gov gave people $4,000 a month plus benefits.
“I do understand it, and I am paying taxes right now.”
I meant other than sales tax. Since you are living below the poverty line, you are excused from the vast majority of taxes. I can only imagine how angry I will be at the system for spending inefficiently when I have to pay steep taxes, because I truly think I will be paying a much higher tax rate then my parents thanks to our welfare state, undeclared wars, drug prohibition and wall street bailouts.
“I don’t see need-based aid as “feeling guilty.” Colleges shouldn’t “feel guilty” that I am poor. I do, however, appreciate that they realize that college is a means of social mobility and that poverty is cyclical even for the best and brightest students.”
They give you the money because they feel bad. Having “diversity”- racially and economically, makes the school look good. Schools are businesses, and they want to make a profit. I used to think that all schools wanted the “best and brightest,” then I read about my schools office of inclusion and diversity. And I read about diversity initiatives in college admissions. Yes, you still need to be somewhat qualified, and there are people who get in based on their own merit, but schools like mine truly don’t think that admissions should solely be merit based. I wrote an article criticizing diversity initiatives and talked with people from admissions and the inclusion and diversity office, who create and administer school policy, and they clearly stated that, like the schools they want to be like, they strongly consider diversity. I am not saying you do not deserve to whatever college you’re going to, but keep in mind college admissions is no longer merit minded, it’s about inclusion. Private colleges are very open about this, because they believe we need to make up for past wrongs, which to me means guilt. They feel bad college was unaffordable to students 20 years ago, so now they go out of their way to throw money at people who make less than (at my school) 70,000. If you make less than $30k you don’t pay anything out of pocket. I think it’s guilt. People feel bad so they help others. Why do you think so many people donated to Haiti? They felt bad because Americans have so much and Haitains so little. It’s not out of sympathy bc the two countries are too different to compare.
“I can honestly say that the majority of rich people I have met have been spoiled and bratty.”
I went to the most economically diverse public school in western PA. we had people on food stamps in some areas. john kerry and theresea hienz also had a house in the district, as did the cowhers (bill cowher- steelers coach, all of his kids went to my public school). Rich conservatives are more likely to donate money than any other group. McCain gave a higher percentage of his income to charity than Obama. And, if you believe that Obama had a “rough” childhood, it is interesting because you would think someone that “struggled” as much as Obama would be more willing to donate. Instead of donating, he preaches that the gov should do more by taxing the rich, who already are donating more than anyone else. Rich people may be bratty, but they are more willing to fund organizations than anyone else. Middle class people give the least to charities.<br>
“I have been on and I have been off means-tested benefits. I think I know what I am talking about.”
Just curious- how are you going to be able to pay for airfare to and from California? Tickets are pricey and from my understanding schools don’t give aid for transportation. I am assuming most of the money you earn is going towards family things, and transnational flights are not cheap. That is a big reason I didn’t go to Tulane. Also, based on your other thread, spending a bunch of money on bedding and pillows probably isn’t very cost effective considering your financial situation.
“Have you ever tried to feed a family of five on food stamps? It’s nearly impossible; certainly the quality of food is lacking. That’s incentive to change.”
If I were broke, I wouldn’t have 3 kids. Or even 1. Or a pet. It hasn’t worked our well for India.
I just don’t feel entitled. I don’t want the government to “take care of me.” Sure, I’ll accept some help along the way, but I am not going to complain that they give me average things because everyone else has at least above average things. Americans are lucky that the gov has continued it’s “temporary” New Deal policies.</p>

<p>This has nothing to do with politics. Please keep your Republican/Democrat debate for another thread.</p>

<p>can we all agree that this is a discussion about getting a job at walmart?</p>

<p>What do paragraphs have to do with programming?
Is s/he high? That was just really random.</p>

<p>oh my god</p>

<p>isn’t case western supposed to be a pretty good school? how they admitted someone who can’t even hit Enter behooves me.</p>

<p>“Behooves” you? You mean “bemuses” or perhaps “befuddles?” I have never seen the word “behoove” used in that fashion before…</p>

<p>Lel I always thought it meant the same thing as bemuse. Oops.</p>

<p>I like how you said “I agree, using paragraphs is a sign of intelligence.” and then refused to even break up your wall-o-text. Thanks for admitting you’re stupid.</p>

<p>I think tiff90 was being sarcastic.</p>

<p>However, I would point out that using paragraphs does not necessarily have anything to do with intelligence–but it does show that you respect the time people are taking to read your post. Please don’t deliberately make your text an inconvenience to read…</p>