<p>UCHicago and NU do have date, its on the law school forum here</p>
<p>at both law schools, NU and CHicago were at the top of both</p>
<p>bball: Where's that data? I haven't seen it.</p>
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Again, it all comes down to your definition of "diversity." I'll be blunt: they don't want the same people hanging around the same university for three more years; thus, they seek to "diversify" the student body. Get it? It's not about being fair or unfair.
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<p>So why not ban Berkeley students from applying at all? </p>
<p>Anyway, like nspeds says, most top law schools do admit their own undergrads at a higher percentage, something that Berkeley does not do.</p>
<p>But it's my turn to be blunt: most students would not want to stay in the same place for 7 years. Get it?</p>
<p>And regarding your last sentence: It's comparably fair to admit a higher percentage of Berkeley undergrads because other universities admit a higher percentage of their own undergrads, meaning that without Boalt support, Berkeley students are less likely to get in everywhere. Compare that to say Georgetown undergrads who have the support of their law school.</p>
<p>(Not that Berkeley is a good place to go for undergrad anyway...there's grade deflation yet it's still harder to get into top graduate programs nationwide. Meaning that the average GPA of Berkeley undergrads admitted to Yale, Harvard, and Stanford law schools was approx 4.01. (Yes above a 4.0))</p>
<p>The notion of academic inbreeding being discouraged is, in my opinion, inapplicable to law school admissions. Sure, Ph.D departments do not want their undergrads hanging around, but law schools could not care less.</p>
<p>Is Berkeley an exception then?</p>
<p>Anyway, I wish I had gone to Georgetown instead for undergrad, because the law school is top-notch. :)</p>
<p>I have no idea about BOALT except for that there is a 99% chance I am not applying there.</p>
<p>My only problem with GULC is its class size, which is the largest in the top 14. I like the early assurance program. Assuming I am accepted (which is a pretty controversial assumption), I am assured a roof on my head after I graduate if things do not turn out in my favor. </p>
<p>Were you admitted as an undergrad for Georgetown? You can still transfer, if you want. Transfers are eligible for early assurance at GULC, though I would not transfer specifically for that reason. I found out about EA after I submitted my deposit:)</p>
<p>I did not apply to Georgetown unfortunately for undergrad. However, I have realized that Berkeley's undergrad program is not exactly the best in getting students to top graduate schools. Georgetown seems to carry its students better. I suppose I will just see what happens. I think I am applying to Boalt because I'm here anyway, even though I don't really want to stay on the West Coast nor do I think I will get in.</p>
<p>How large is the class size?</p>
<p>Anything less than 800 would be considered 'small' and 'personal' for me after going to Berkeley.</p>
<p>Also, nspeds, I am curious as to what extracurriculars you are involved in at uni, if you do not mind sharing? ( In other words, am I doing enough EC-wise?)</p>
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<p>Anything less than 800 would be considered 'small' and 'personal' for me after going to Berkeley.
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<p>Well, then you are find. I do not think any school in the top 14 has a class size larger than 600. I could be wrong.</p>
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<p>*President of the Philosophical Society
- Starting new lecture series featuring prominent philosophers
*President of the Chess Club
*Member of Georgetown Law Center Chess Club
*Assistant Editor for our Philosophy Journal
*Ally for the GLBT Society
*Paid Research Fellowship in spring 2006
*Casual playing of instruments and such</p>
<p>I think that is all. What ECs do you have?</p>
<p>I have no idea what is enough, though I hear law schools like leadership:)</p>
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*President of the Philosophical Society
- Starting new lecture series featuring prominent philosophers
*President of the Chess Club
*Member of Georgetown Law Center Chess Club
*Assistant Editor for our Philosophy Journal
*Ally for the GLBT Society
*Paid Research Fellowship in spring 2006
*Casual playing of instruments and such</p>
<p>I think that is all. What ECs do you have?</p>
<p>I have no idea what is enough, though I hear law schools like leadership
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<p>Geez. That's a LONG list for university extracurriculars. Thank God you aren't one of those people telling me EC's don't matter when law schools admissions people say that ECs differentiate applicants.</p>
<p>Erm. The ones I actually put in the most hours for:</p>
<p>1) Working at a law firm 20 hours a week.
2) Internship for legal aid, 6 hours a week.
3) Music club on campus; practice 4 hours a week.</p>
<p>ANd then stuff I am a part of but don't really do anything for:
1) NSCS (honor society)
2) Golden Key (another honor society)</p>
<p>And then I did a dance club for a semester which took up approx 10 hours a day, (which is why I quit--it's crazy work.)</p>
<p>(And I am applying for a research position with a professor as a mentor--this is assuming I get in. This will take approx 6-9 hours a week, but I can take it as a class if I please.)</p>
<p>Your extracurriculars seem impressive, and I think you are definitely more involved than most pre-law students.</p>
<p>Well, except for Yale and Stanford, I am not sure that ECs really matter.</p>
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<p>Thanks:)</p>
<p>I am just passionate about what I do.</p>
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<p>Georgetown has a program where you can do paid research under a professor. If if it is during the academic year, students receive 400$ for 70 hours of work, and if it is during the summer, students receive $2000 in addition to room and board. The latter is a pretty good deal which I may opt for next summer. We will see:) I have to take that pesky LSAT.</p>
<p>Edit: Yeah, I am also a member of the NSCS. A pretty big waste, if you ask me! Oh well. They gave me a rather nice bumper-sticker, which I can place under some desk in a class-room.</p>
<p>Private unis have it better. Our research program is unpaid, however you can take it for units, substituting for 1 class. </p>
<p>Regarding the LSAT, you might consider taking a prep course. I hear it really helps, and that Testmaster (name?) is the best. And then Kaplan, followed by the Princeton Review.</p>
<p>I wonder what kind of ECs they look for. The admissions officer at Boalt supposedly said that they look for people who do community service, and clubs dedicated solely to "social welfare," which I am lacking in.</p>
<p>haha I didn't even get a bumper sticker, not that I have a car to put it on..</p>
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<p>We receive a transcript notation:D</p>
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<p>I think I can prepare on my own and save the money for something else like a year's supply of kumquats, or something. If I am not performing beyond my expectations, I might take the course.</p>
<p>Edit: Note that I already posted how I plan to prepare for the LSAT. Just search for a thread in this forum with 'nspeds' somewhere in the title:)</p>
<p>nspeds, are you transferring?</p>
<p>Oh, no. I am staying put here at Georgetown.</p>
<p>GL with that. Going to stick around CC anyway?</p>
<p>Nspeds..I was trying to search into your previous posts to find the prep guide, but instead I found a hilarious thread regarding some guy who wants to apply to HYS law schools. hahaha, funny arguments...</p>
<p>But yes, everything you said in there about Cal is right. It's very hard to get straight A's, the philosophy department is pretty tough, and well, you do need at least a 3.9 to have a chance at HYS. However, I'd say you need at least a 4.0 to have a chance at HYS from Cal.</p>
<p>I think I'll prepare for the LSAT on me own as well, but then take the prep course for additional comfort. If all this fails and I do poorly, I will scratch the idea of law school completely and get an MBA and become a CPA (accountant), given I have an Economics background.</p>
<p>Unfortunately this last semester seemed to drop my GPA a bit, well one Economics course did, so I have to work uber-hard in the next 2 years as well. Basically I will have no life between work, ECs, and academics. I hope this all pays off in 2 years.</p>
<p>But yes, Georgetown is very good at getting its students into graduate programs, so you should definitely stay there.</p>
<p>(I have work in the morning, so I will say goodnight for now!)</p>
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<p>Thanks:) Good luck with Chicago.</p>
<p>I will most probably cease posting on the "crack boards," as my counselor calls them. They do little for my mental health!</p>
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Unfortunately this last semester seemed to drop my GPA a bit, well one Economics course did, so I have to work uber-hard in the next 2 years as well. Basically I will have no life between work, ECs, and academics. I hope this all pays off in 2 years.
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<p>Well... as Edward Bloom said in Big Fish:</p>
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<p>Good night.</p>
<p>Ah, it'd be interesting to check back in 2 years. </p>
<p>I think I'll take the TestMasters LSAT prep, personally.</p>