<p>If it is, how selective is UC Berkeley? If it isn't, what made you say so?</p>
<p>I think UC Berkeley is very selective for those who aren’t in CA/West Coast. My friend got in MIT but was waitlisted by Berkeley.</p>
<p>Cal is selective for everyone…instate or OOS. </p>
<p>This is a strange question. Nearly everyone knows that Cal is hard to get into.</p>
<p>Duohead, hat do you mean by wait listed? I thought Berkeley discontinued their wait list decision last year.</p>
<p>Let me start with the fact that UCB is a very good school. The info I’ve seen shows that the SAT score of the 75th % of admitted students is approx 2190 and the 25th % is really low 1800??. This is below all the Ivy’s , Many top LAC’s, CMU, Stanford, MIT,CIT, Johns Hopkins etc etc. So I’d say they aren’t as selective as many of the top schools in the US.</p>
<p>^ Good point, rebel11. Care to share with us your source? That would help us in analyzing Berkeley’s selectivity level.</p>
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<p>RML ALWAYS wants to talk about Berkeley, even in threads about other schools (see below). I wouldn’t take the bait.</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/1426788-vanderbilt-vs-ivy-league.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/1426788-vanderbilt-vs-ivy-league.html</a></p>
<p>Oh come on RML. Look up the charts. Go to Collegegrid.com, Cappex or any of the other sources out there. Are you disputing the #'s.</p>
<p>sally305, I created this thread so we can discuss everything about Berkeley’s selectivity here. Please stay on topic.</p>
<p>rebel11, if the numbers they published defer from those that Berkeley published, I think you would agree with me when I say I have a reason to dispute their numbers, right? Anyhow, you didn’t answer my question, and as someone who’s highly critical of Berkeley, I’m interested what your answer gonna be.</p>
<p>You can compare Berkeley’s data to Vanderbilt’s, which really has very impressive data, so you will have a guide. Can you say Vanderbilt’s students would have an easy time in getting into Berkeley?</p>
<p>I gave you the answer. Those are the numbers out there for anyone to look up. If you choose not to believe them that’s on you. It is a FACT that UBC is not as selective as the schools I listed. I’m a bit suprised you put youself in position to get slammed by UChicago again. He eats your lunch.</p>
<p>You still didn’t answer my question. Let’s consider for a while that the bottom quartile of Berkeley admits have combined SATs of 1800, would that make Berkeley an easy school to get into? Answer yes or no. That’s all I’ve asked from you.</p>
<p>Chicago’s CDS looks impressive too. Does that mean everyone in Chicago will get into Berkeley if they will all apply?</p>
<p>The answer is YES as compared to the schools I’ve listed. As compared to your local Community college the answer is no.</p>
<p>RML, don’t be disingenuous. You already believe, quite firmly, that Berkeley is selective. The reason I posted that other thread is to show how much time you have devoted to this topic in a discussion of nine other schools. And that was just one other thread–there have been countless others. I don’t know what you hope to accomplish by baiting people YET AGAIN into a back-and-forth about Berkeley.</p>
<p>^ If you’re fed up with my posts, feel free to not read them, okay? You actually have that choice, sally. That said, I would expect that your next post in this thread would be relevant to the topic. This isn’t about me or you. :)</p>
<p>^Oh, it’s definitely about you. :)</p>
<p>And no, I don’t think Berkeley is all that selective.</p>
<p>I don’t think it’s fair to compare Cal’s middle quartiles to top privates. Since Cal is a public U, it has a different mission. It’s supposed to educate Calif residents. Also, the UCs give added weight to UC GPA, which I believe allows them to admit students who may not have the high test scores, but have a high GPA from an underprivileged school. </p>
<p>Also, the UCs are typically much larger than top privates, so that can negatively impact the middle quartiles. Also, they may be offering more majors (with larger depts) that are more right-brained (talent based) and those students’ test scores may not be very high. </p>
<p>The bottom line is that Cal is very selective, it just may be selective in a different way than the top privates. Either way, it’s never a safety for anyone and acceptance is always unpredictable (for UCLA as well).</p>
<p>Berkeley is not as selective as the most selective private schools, but looking at SAT scores can overestimate the difference because the SAT scores are not weighted as heavily (relative to high school course rigor and grades) at Berkeley compared to many other schools. There are also differences in selectivity by division or major, so looking at a small sample of applicants or admits may only indicate the level of selectivity of a particular division or major if they all applied for a particular one.</p>
<p>I agree with the last few posters on what may be the reasons for UBC lower selectibility. I think the differnces we’re talking about here are similar to the diff. between a Rolls Royce(most selective) and a S-class Mercedes(selective +) There all pretty darn good.</p>
<p>What’s the point, RML? You don’t REALLY want any opinions on Berkeley that aren’t breathless “OMG Berkeley is the bestest in every way, and certainly better than any top 20 university except HYPSM!”</p>
<p>Do you really want an honest answer? Or do you just want confirmation of what you already believe? Do you really want to let it pierce your consciousness that people outside CA just don’t think or care about Berkeley all that much?</p>