<p>I got in OOS and I think the key were the essays and the ECs. Think about all of the threads you've seen where the scores were within points of each other, GPA, SAT's etc... There are a TON of smart kids out there, especially this year so what made them pick me over some one else? Not a legacy, either. I had a very good essay about me and good ECs.</p>
<p>BB: I don't agree about the ECs and essays thing. I got into the honors program at UCLA, and received a likely letter from UVA (with less than perfect, but very good, stats) but was waitlisted at UNC. Honestly, I don't think they really evaluate you holistically if you're deferred. Unless you've cured cancer within that 4 months since they last read your app, count on being waitlisted.</p>
<p>I'd say Cal and UCLA are toughest to get into OOS. Sure, they accept a whopping 2-4% more people OOS than UNC, but their average stats are much higher. There are people IN-STATE getting rejected with 2300s this year...several of them (check out the UCLA decisions thread).
In-state acceptance rate for UCLA this year is hovering at around 22%. Berkeley has not released decisions yet.</p>
<p>i agree with bb. UNC looks at the whole application. My grades were subpar, yet my ACT, ESSAys, EC's and recommendations were better then most people applying for my major, hence the reason i believe i got in. But i would say UCBerkely out of state are harder to get into then UNC for sure and maybe UCLA.</p>
<p>Berkeley was at 20% for OOS admissions for Fall</a>, 2007. UCLA was at 24.4% for Fall</a>, 2007 The most recent UNC</a> admissions page states
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In recent years, approximately 20,000 students have applied for freshmen admission at Carolina. Almost 11,000 of those students were considered out-of-state for admission purposes. Approximately 2,400 those students received admission offers. The remaining 9,000 applicants were North Carolina residents. Usually about 4,500 of those students are admitted. These admission offers are targeted at yielding a freshman class of 3,900.
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whereas last year was:
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In recent years, approximately 19,000 students have applied for freshmen admission at Carolina. Almost 11,000 of those students were considered out-of-state for admission purposes. Approximately 2,100 those students received admission offers. The remaining 8,000 applicants were North Carolina residents. Usually about 4,600 of those students are admitted. These admission offers are targeted at yielding a freshman class of 3,700.
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so UNC is at 20% plus or minus the noise. Berkeley had under half the number of OOS applicants, however...but over 4 times the number of in-state apps (that whole "California" thing). UCLA had about 9000 OOS.</p>
<p>Pretty soon, it will be next to impossible to get into UT-Austin from out of state. They accepted a whopping 81% auto admits (top ten percenters) in Fall of 2007. </p>
<p>So...just goes to show... acceptance rate CAN be a pretty meaningless number. ;)</p>
<p>OK - this has all the potential of being a dumb question but...wouldn't they have to accept all the auto admits?</p>
<p>Maybe LDmom meant to say that 81% of auto admits accepted UTAustin? (that'd be a very high yield)</p>
<p>I think I got it (yay google and thanks ldmom for putting the 81% figure in there) - 81%</a> of Austin's admits came from the auto admit list. And the UT-Austin president is apparently not too happy about about having no flexibility with respect to admissions. I wonder what the matriculation is for those students...</p>
<p>I think that the fact no such rule exists for UNC is what makes the overall student body, among other things, more diverse. Sure there's the requirement that a majority of students come from the state - that should be the policy for a state-supported school - but UNC's admissions office is given much more flexibility as far as looking deeper into a candidate's file as well as having space to bring in OOS students. I can't imagine the pressure put on an admissions office to form a class when 81% of the spots are automatics...</p>
<p>"I think that the fact no such rule exists for UNC is what makes the overall student body, among other things, more diverse."</p>
<p>The ironic thing is that the Top 10% Law (the auto admit law) for UT is supposed to increase UTs diversity. It has to some extent(mainly for hispanics), but there's still not that many african americans. I think the black pop. at UT is around 5%. </p>
<p>UTs profile for the incoming freshman class is probably gonna be like 80% Top 10 kids, 15% really good non-Top 10 and 5% really really good out-of-staters.</p>
<p>Sorry...not being very articulate today. Was posting from an itouch while watching our FANTASTIC TAR HEELS on TV!</p>
<p>Meant to say...at UT-Austin, of the incoming freshman class Fall 07, 81% were auto-admits. And yes, the admissions system in NC is far superior to that of Texas where one parameter (rank) trumps all. For pete's sake, all a top ten percenter need do is fill out the application and wait for their acceptance letter. I wonder why they even bother to make applicant go through the trouble. They could just get a list from each Texas h.s. of all the top ten percenters who wish to attend UT-Austin and save the Admissions Office a whole lot of work. ;) Sad isn't it? Caps are definitely in order, but not likely. </p>
<p>North Carolinians, if ever you get a whiff of similar floating through the halls of your state legislature, I advise you stand up and start screaming before the idea gets a foothold. This top ten percent thing is very tough to be rid of (bad grammar, I know....)</p>
<p>(Also, though there have been modest gains in the number of Hispanic students at UT-Austin, that gain is NOTHING compared to the dramatic increase in the number of college-eligible Hispanic students in Texas over the same period of time. So in that respect, even the Hispanic numbers indicate failure.)</p>
<p>^The top 10% kids fill out an application to try to get admitted into a major. Each applicant is considered for two majors, and if they get rejected for both majors, they get dumped into the College of Liberal Arts as an Undecided. While UT has to accept anyone who finishes in the Top 10%, UT doesn't have to accept the kids into the major of their choice. A bunch of the kids from bad high schools who finish in the Top 10% but have low SATs and low GPAs get dumped into the COLA. </p>
<p>Also, I can't say this for every major, but for McCombs School of Business, you get automatic admissions if you finish in the top 3%.</p>
<p>Well...this is true^. Most of the schools and honors programs have admissions criteria which default to rank as well. Certainly true for McCombs, Plan II, Communications, Architecture....</p>
<p>COLA is not a complete dumping ground though. My d was accepted into COLA Honors (otherwise known as Plan I) which only accepted about 100 students that year. Econ and several pre-med tracks are located within COLA as well.</p>
<p>(Sorry for wandering off-topic....)</p>
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Berkeley was at 20% for OOS admissions for Fall, 2007. UCLA was at 24.4% for Fall, 2007 The most recent UNC admissions page states
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True, but the UCB/UCLA pool is your Harvard admits. The average GPA and SAT are higher than those at UNC.</p>
<p>^What does this statement mean? The UCB/UCLA 'pool'? Applicant pool? Are you stating the oos candidates who apply to these UCs are also admitted to Harvard but choose UCB or UCLA over Harvard? Or are you stating there is a complete intersection of the two applicant pools? Seems this would be difficult data to gather since applicants are not required to disclose info about where they have applied.</p>
<p>what he is saying is in his opinion a higher caliber student applies to UCB/UCLA then UNC. However this date is difficult to prove.</p>
<p>that may be a plausible argument in the case of UCB but for UCLA I would have to disagree</p>
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True, but the UCB/UCLA pool is your Harvard admits. The average GPA and SAT are higher than those at UNC
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<p>As far as applicant pool goes, Harvard's greatest overlaps are the Ivies, other top privates, not UCB/UCLA.</p>
<p>yes and I wouldn't reccomend going there out of state either. it's clearly geared toward in-state students. i am an out of state student and have always felt out of place and somewhat unwanted. my out of state friends feel the same way. every day people ask me why i decided to come to unc if i dont live in north carolina. and i often think to myself, good question.. so do yourself a favor and don't go here just because you're proud of getting in and think it's in your best academic interest.</p>
<p>Do you really feel unwanted? Is this the general consensus among OOS students at UNC? That scares me A LOT because I'm really considering attending. I've been accepted to some other good schools, but I just loved the vibe at UNC when I visited. Everyone seemed so friendly and sincere. Do you think it just depends on the personality of the OOS student? I'm outgoing and a "go-getter," so do you think I'd be okay OOS at UNC?</p>
<p>i just went on the tour last week. This year they had more applicants than ever before making the acceptance rate for OOS about 20% with a max of 18% of the student body being OOS (North Carolina law). He said that it is so incredibly selective that about every oos admitted is borderline for the honors program. 50% of the honors kids are oos even though they make up 17% (typically) of the student body. It is harder to get into UNC than UVA out of state just because UVA's laws aren't as stringent.</p>