Is undergrad debt worth it??

I received full scholarships to the University of Alabama and the University of Oklahoma, a full tuition scholarship to Tulane, large scholarships to several other schools (including the College of William and Mary and the University of Miami), a scholarship for half the cost of attendance to Rice University, admission into honors programs at schools (including UT), and from my absolute dream school, Duke University, I received…nothing. Nada, zilch, zero. My family is in that unfortunate position of not being eligible for financial aid, but also not being wealthy enough to pay over 60k a year. Here’s my background:

I have two significantly older siblings who attended prestigious universities at the same time. Back when they went to college, our family income was significantly smaller, so they received financial aid. However, my parents still had to pay quite a bit out of pocket, thus impacting their ability to set money aside for my college fund. About a year ago, our family income nearly tripled. This increase has not truly changed our lifestyle because I live in a relatively wealthy city where, even with this increase, we are still not considered to be well-off. It has not heavily impacted our savings due to unforeseen costs relating to family matters, so I still do not have a lot saved for college. Unfortunately, I am not eligible for financial aid at any school.

My parents did not speak with me about our financial situation until the beginning of April. Since it has been awhile since they looked at college costs (b/c my siblings are older), they were unaware of how expensive college has become. They always told me that they know very little about college and the college application process, so it was no surprise to me when I ended up applying on my own without their assistance. Unfortunately, this meant that they were not even thinking about how much they would pay next year.Once I heard back about financial aid from all of the schools and learned from my parents that they had very little money saved, I knew that the majority of the prestigious schools I got into, such as Columbia and Northwestern, were simply no longer feasible. The cost of attendance is extremely high for most of these schools, and I live very far from pretty much every one of them, so traveling would be another expense. However, I visited Duke before I knew of our financial situation, and I fell in love. Picking a dream school can set students up for heartbreak, I know, but Duke is it for me.

My parents could only afford to pay half the cost per year at Duke. This means I would acquire somewhere around $120k in debt just for undergrad. I would either take out loans, or my parents would be willing to pay in full but I would have to pay them back. However, I feel guilty placing this financial burden on my parents, especially because they will be retiring soon. Also, I plan to attend med school, so I will definitely be taking out loans for that. Duke is an amazing school, but is it worth the debt?

If I were to attend Rice, my parents could afford it (b/c of my scholarship). I do not see myself there, but it is still a fantastic school. It is also only a few hours from my home, so traveling would not cost too much. After staying on campus and visiting a ton, I simply do not think Rice is a great fit for me. Most likely, I will be attending a state school next year because of the low cost.

Is going into debt or making my near-retirement age parents spend a ton of money to go to Duke worth it? Also, could I receive any FA if I explain that our income increased recently?

$120,000 of undergraduate debt is a really bad idea. Even more so if you will be piling $150,000 to $300,000 of medical school debt on top of that.

$120k in undergrad debt will ruin the rest of your life. No university in the world is worth that. Don’t do it.

Can’t you see that it is out of the question? It is astonishing that parents who have sent 2 kids to college could be so clueless. If you all were running Net Price Calculators last year then your expectations would be adjusted. You might have still wanted to try Duke in hope of one of the scholarships and if it didn’t happen you would still be in the position to have to walk away.

The school will not care that the income is recent. Usually if you are going to go to such an expensive school you would have a lot of the cost in savings already, if you have a middle class resources. Otherwise of course it will be too expensive.

I would reconsider Rice, but UT honors sounds good too. You are letting your ‘greed’ for what you want cloud your analytical ability.4 years is not worth putting your family in such a precarious position and you yourself would not be able to repay them for a very long time because of the huge burden of med school loans. You will spend your life paying for a fleeting vacation. You are in good shape because you have good options, and you need to believe in yourself and that you will accomplish great things wherever you go.

If his siblings are ‘quite a bit older’ NPC probably weren’t around, and FA was entirely different 10 years ago. No need to blame anyone.

Pick one of the other fine schools. Miami. Wm and Mary. Go to Duke medical school. Fall in love with another school.

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This means I would acquire somewhere around $120k in debt just for undergrad. I would either take out loans, or my parents would be willing to pay in full but I would have to pay them back. However, I feel guilty placing this financial burden on my parents, especially because they will be retiring soon. Also, I plan to attend med school, so I will definitely be taking out loans for that. Duke is an amazing school, but is it worth the debt?
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No.

Not only is that wwaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy tooooooo much debt for undergrad, but it is an insane amount for someone who wants to go to med school. Anyone who wants to go to med school should try to have NO DEBT as an undergrad since med school can mean 200-300k in debt.

I have a child in med school. You don’t need to go to Duke to go to med school. What did you like about Duke? Is Duke, Rice and UT the only schools you’ve visited? What did you not like about Duke?

What is your major?

You’re a NMF, right?


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Your costs for Bama would be quite small, right?

How much do your parents have saved for retirement?

Duke is absolutely not worth that debt, especially when your other choices – Rice, William and Mary, etc. – are so good. The costs for UT honors (do you mean Plan II?) aren’t clear, but if that is much less, it could be a great option. Even if your parental contribution has been confusing and unstable with all the changes, I would try to not allow that to set you up for future financial burdens.

I did not have the greatest parental input or advising when I was going to college either – it was unclear what, or if, I’d actually be receiving from them. That was part of the reason I chose to turn down my most prestigious, full-pay offers, and attend an honors program similar to UT. Thankfully, if you prefer a private, there is also Rice, which really is an outstanding institution, and William and Mary which, while public, very much resembles a prestigious private LAC in atmosphere and academics.

You got a lot going for you, actually applied to schools that gave you huge merit, which you can afford. Visit them and pick the one you like best, get a great premed education and make the best of your opportunities.

Some kids get the money talk now and did not apply to affordable schools so count your blessings.

Keep the bigger picture in mind, med school is way too expensive already to be adding undergrad debt, especially when you have such great options to choose from. Go for a no-debt school and ask your parents to set aside what they would have payed for undergrad for med school (and apply to Duke for med school if you want to).

Seems pretty unanimous that Duke, while a wonderful school, is financially not a worthwhile option for your situation, especially considering the fact that you have other affordable choices that won’t cripple you with undergrad debt.

Since you are smart enough to get into all of these great schools, you can probably understand the advise you are getting here.

Sorry that it didn’t work out the way you hoped it might, but it is clear you will do very well wherever you end up. When you become a doctor, you’ll be happier if it takes less than 10 years to pay your education debt, instead of 15-20.

Whoa. I would say that any of your other options are better than $120K in debt from Duke!

Others seem to really like William and Mary or Rice for you. They are both great schools, but it sounds like they, too, will take a lot of your pocket change. University of Miami is good. Tulane is good. You don’t mention the cost of UT (Plan II?). You have lots of good options – which makes the idea of attending Duke with $120K in debt even less appealing! (And keep in mind, costs will go up over the next 4 years.)

Personally, if I’m understanding your COA’s at each of the other schools correctly, I would go with one of the “full scholarship options” – University of Oklahoma or University of Alabama. You don’t say whether “full scholarship” means full-tuition or free-ride. Knowing what I know about each school, and given the plethora of your other awards, I’m going to guess you mean full-tuition plus some.

For me, it’s a no-brainer. Take one of the “free” schools and don’t look back! You’ll likely be one of the tippy-top students there. You’ll have opportunities galore. You’ll likely have a good chance at med school if you keep up your track record. And I doubt you’ll ever look back and regret taking your undergrad for free!

Take one of the full tuition scholarships and focus on getting into a great med school.
You can have a great undergrad experience without the crushing debt burden.

I agree with other posters. We have a similar situation, D accepted to dream school, no merit aid, doesn’t qualify for FA. We were very upfront that we would provide around $30k per year and that she would have to have merit to pay for the rest. She will be attending where it is affordable, no undergrad school is worth that much debt. Embrace all the wonderful offers you have, be open to falling in love with one of those schools.

If a student is truly serious (thought long and hard about this) and really knows that s/he wants to go to med school, then s/he should go where s/he has the best chance of really shining. That typically means where s/he will be one of the strongest students in the class.

I’m not suggesting attending a school where the student has ivy stats and everyone else has modest scores, but a place where the academics will still be strong and the profs will notice you. You’ll get the best research opps and you’ll get the best LORs.

I am also concerned that the student says that the parents have only recently been earning 3 times their previous salary. Unless the new salary is super spectacular, that suggests that the previous salary was more modest (for instance, was $75k and is now $225k, that could suggest that his near-retirement age parents have not saved enough for retirement - and need to play catch-up now. If so, then I would try to avoid having them have to pay even $30k per year now, so that they can save more.

This student is a NMF (I’m nearly certain based on the Bama and UO apps), which means attending one of those two schools would mean that the parents would be paying less than $50k for the ENTIRE FOUR YEARS! The parents would be able to save for retirement and may be able to help with med school costs.

Student…what is your intended major as a premed?

OP, mom2collegekids is a really great poster: very sensible, and she writes from the coalface. Go where you will shine, where your professors will be able to honestly say that you are one of their stars.

The advice you are getting here is pretty unanimous: NO, the debt is not worth it. Save your pennies and look at Duke for med school. FWIW, I do know students at UT (Austin) (Plan II) who are having an amazing college experience.

^ Agreed. And I know several kids at both Alabama and OU who are having an amazing college experience. You really can’t go wrong with your other cheaper options.

Short answer to your question: No.

After visiting several colleges with my daughter, I get that there are favorite schools. However, I felt my daughter could be happy and do well at every school we visited - even the ones she wasn’t crazy about. My daughter was awarded nice merit awards. She is not going to attend her favorite campus because she would leave with student loan debt and we would have to take out parent plus loans to make it work. It’s a great school and would look good on a resume. She’d be there with a bunch of high fliers. Instead she is going to the school where her stats are in their top ten percent. They gave her the highest merit award they give. This school is also saving her a place in their nursing program. She goes in as a one of the top students and likes that. the school she is attending has a good reputation and I think she will leave college well prepared for a career in nursing. She will be without any debt and her parents can handle the cost of her education. It’s a win.

Thankfully, you have a plethora of very solid, affordable options. Duke is not worth that much. Go to one of the other fantastic schools you listed and have a great experience!