Is wanting a Liberal Arts education wrong?

<p>Hey you guys, I am posting this topic cause a while back I was on another forum and I had talked about doing a liberal arts education when I go to college and I was told that if I really loved Musical Theatre and if I really wanted to do that there was no need to do a liberal arts education. That I probably did not love theatre enough and that I did not believe enough in myself. I honestly dont think thats fair....</p>

<p>Right now im in the process of applying to schools for MT and im applying both to conservatories and to liberal arts schools, but im in opinion, just because i may want a liberal arts education, that does not lessen my love for MT.It just allows me to feel that I will be getting all areas covered, just incase anything should happen, or just incase i may want to widen my field.
I mean i would love to go to college and major in Musical Theatre and like minor in creative writing or journalism, just so i can expand my opitions and do so much more things when the time comes, and im hopefully planning on doing that if i get accepted into liberal arts colleges.</p>

<p>To me, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a conservatory program, if I get into a really good one, i would GREATLY consider going. I just want to make sure that I have all my options for my future out there infront of me, im trying to think of it from every angle.</p>

<p>I completly believe in myself and believe that God will take me where im supposed to go and I will work my hardest. I dont think there is anything wrong in having a backup plan...well not really a backup plan, but another road that you may go on while still doing theatre, so that you can promote yourself more. Becuase I want to expand my options, does not mean that I love theatre any less....i love it with all my heart. Alot of people believe that if setting your heart out to do theatre, you should do that 100% and nothing else if you really want to make it, i was just wondering what you guys thought?</p>

<p>Also, colleges that are lideral arts colleges with an conservatory program within the college, does many allow you to minor in something outside the school..or no? I have been looking through many schools and doing minors dont seem to be a problem, but i was wondering if the teachers support it or prefer for the student not to do do minors outside of the thetre program.</p>

<p>Thank you guys
Bye
Kayla</p>

<p>Your thoughtful post touched me! I don't post here much any more because our D is all set to go to Indiana University, an outstanding liberal arts program. Last year at this time, she thought she wanted a conservatory approach in one of the ivies, perhaps in an urban setting. As we began to visit schools and learn more about their programs, she learned so much about herself. Like you, she learned that she wants to advance her education in a much broader way. She too wants to double major to give herself more options in the future. That isn't at all wrong...that is just smart, if it is what you want for yourself. When we visited Indiana, we were told that they will encourage you and help you pursue a double major.
There is abolutely nothing wrong with a conservatory, if it is a match for you. This process is for learning about yourself, finding the program that feels so right for you that and pursuing your "bliss". Like you, our D loves musical theater and has known for a very long time that it would be her passion in life. However, there are so many ways to pursue that theater dream. Know yourself and what YOU want, and follow your instincts! You will know when you find the college that is perfect for you!</p>

<p>i think the only thing quote unquote wrong with what you want to do is that it could be all kinds of stressful, cause like a BFA program is a lot of work to begin with. But, obviously what you want to do is such a good idea. I think it's just a matter of people being worried that it could be too much.</p>

<p>athough, consitering the fact that i don't know you, you could be the dopest multi-tasker ever. </p>

<p>yeee.</p>

<p>You are not wrong to want a well rounded educational experience in addition to strong training. The wonderful thing is that there are so many different types of programs, that there really is a good program for everyone.</p>

<p>I myself wanted nothing to do with BA programs 16 years ago when I was looking at Musical Theatre degree programs... mostly because I didn't want to take math :)... (a good thing too, because there weren't really any BA Musical Theatre Programs back then). However, I was looking for a school that had a larger Liberal Arts componant than many conservatories. I wanted both strong training and a college experience... that was why I ended up at Syracuse.</p>

<p>I since have gotten my MFA in directing and my career has switched from performing to directing and teaching. As a director (of mostly musical theatre) my more broad based educational background constantly comes into play and informs my work. </p>

<p>I now teach in a BA musical theatre program, and I can tell you that the students with whom I work as very passionate about muscial theatre and most of them plan to pursue it professionally. They will enter the profession with strong performance skills and a strong liberal arts educational background. They feel confident and ready to go out into the "real world".</p>

<p>It sounds as if you are very serious about Musical Theatre, and are putting a lot of time an energy to finding the right kind of program for you. Your tenacity and informed decision making will help you to find the right school and make the right decision. These are also the skills you will need to purse MT as a career... keep up the good work, and keep asking questions!</p>

<p>Kayla,
There are many paths to a career in musical theater and it is important that you find the type of educational program that suits your own needs and interests. Several clients of mine who started out thinking they wanted a BFA, have changed course and are applying to BA schools because truly that path fits them best. They are very passionate about theater, however. Also, my daughter has several HIGHLY talented MT friends who have played many leads, won NFAA, major theater awards in their region, etc. who CHOSE a BA path, even though they are qualified and even got into BFA schools. For instance, they preferred Yale, Brown or Northwestern over the BFA path. My daughters have a friend at Brown as well who just was the lead in the National Tour of RENT. Another friend has been on Broadway and chose Northwestern. Some are at Yale, Vassar, Tufts, Muhlenberg. </p>

<p>Those schools do not all have a BA in MT but they do have theater departments and there is a very active theater scene, including musicals on those campuses. </p>

<p>Another option is to apply to BA in MT schools, of which there are not a lot but there are quite a few out there, some by audition, some not. I have listed many of these on the forum on other threads and will not list them all here but I'm talking of schools such as Indiana, James Madison, American, Susquehanna, and so on. This is a great option for someone like you because you can focus on MT as your major but possibly minor or double major if you want that broader liberal arts education. </p>

<p>Another option, and the one that my own daughter preferred and is similar to what KatMT seemed to also want when she went to college, is a BFA program within a school that also offers liberal arts of some significance, and in her case, she wanted a selective challenging liberal arts setting if she had a choice. Some have a reasoning of "back up plan" but that is not HER motivation whatsoever. She is going for it in MT. However, the reason she wants some liberal arts is she wants to be educated. Just being an educated actor is a good thing. But she also values and is interested in other subjects and learning. My thought is that your major doesn't dictate what you can do later in life. If you have a college degree, that can still take you places. It is an education. She is getting an education, albeit a big chunk of it is in theater. At her school, one CAN minor or double major (the latter being more difficult but possible). I don't know that my daughter will be doing that. But at some of these BFA programs, you can do a minor. Some BFA programs have more of a liberal arts component than others. For instance, NYU, Penn State, Syracuse, UMich (and others) have some liberal arts and more so than at Boston Conservatory, CMU, CCM. So, you may want to look at the total curriculum at some BFA schools and see which ones have enough liberal arts to suit you, if you do the BFA path. My daughter also wanted a more challenging learning environment and that made NYU and UMich attractive to her (besides other reasons). While my daughter's reasoning was not wanting a "back up plan", or other minor or double major, she also knows that she is capable of other skills/talents besides performing (as I imagine you are as well). She doesn't need a minor or major to be able to do other work down the line besides performing. A person trained in theater can work in many aspects of theater and their skills also translate into useful skills in other fields. In her particular case (and I imagine you could find your own other talents/skills), I believe she could get work as a musical director, arranger/accompanist, choreographer, writer of shows or writer in other areas. She is pretty much equally talented in those areas as she is performing and she has garnered experience in them and continues to do so in college. She will have many skills to apply to various jobs upon graduation. She will be seeking work ON stage but during that time, there are other ways for her to earn money related to her field. </p>

<p>So, a BFA does not prohibt you from meaningful work in the arts or other fields, if you have talents and skills. You do not HAVE to have a minor or double major to be able to get work. I do not believe the reason to do a double major or a liberal arts path should be with "back up plan" in mind. I think if you want to pursue theater, pursue it. Choose either a BA or BFA path due more to reasons as to the kind of education you want.....broad or intensively focused in one main area.....committment or one with choices...and all the reasons that differentiate between a BFA and a BA. You don't need a BA for a "back up plan" but a BA path is a great path for many people who want to study more than one thing, want options, want a broader curriculum, and so forth. Pick which path suits your needs and interests but either path can lead to a career in theater. Either path can lead to jobs outside of performing. A BFA in a university setting that offers a liberal arts component is a combination of sorts of those things. Some students leave options open by applying to some BFAs and some BA's (my niece is doing that, in fact). There are some excellent BA programs out there. </p>

<p>So, a person passionate about theater can do a BA or a BFA but one path is more suited to their needs than another. Both can lead to careers in theater and/or outside of theater.</p>

<p>Kayla,</p>

<p>I echo the prior posters who have told you that a BA route is fine. I will go one step farther and tell you that a Stella Adler/Tisch prof told my daughter that it may be a more desirable route to get as broad an education as possible before embarking on a "specialized" path. A prof at Brown made a similar statement during a college visit. There is always the route of a BA followed by an MFA or conservatory training AFTER the BA. My d is planning on following the BA/MFA path. </p>

<p>She is passionate about theater and has been heavily involved in theater since middle school. She has attended performing arts schools since 6th grade and spent summers in intensive theater programs. She is an actor. She sings. She dances. But she also writes, loves history, literature and routinely competes in not just thespian competitions but also academic ones. So she is not ready to limit herself and wants as broad an education as possible. - - I happen to believe that the breadth of the education that she will receive at an academically challenging school will serve her well in an acting career.</p>

<p>Some people will tell you that there are no MFA MT programs. I have heard it said before to kids like you. Since my d is not doing MT(prefers straight theater), I really do not know if that statement is accurate. But I will point out that vocal and dance training is available outside of MT programs. At a school with a strong vocal program you can receive solid vocal training, which may be better than what may be found at some MT programs. And a similar statement can be made for schools with strong dance programs.</p>

<p>For students who want to jump into the profession a conservatory or a BFA may be the right choice. But it is not the only choice and does not make the student more committed to his/her art. You have to do what feels right for you and an education is the one thing that no one can ever take away from you.</p>

<p>Kayla,
You are "right" for finding out what you want and where you will flourish. You are a young woman of many talents and strengths and it may be that for you a school with good liberal arts will provide you with the avenues that you need to explore. I don't know why people seem to need to talk about right and wrong ways. There is no such thing in life.
PS. Please have your mom email me re: April!!!</p>

<p>i'm in the same boat as MTHeaded's daughter. I've been accepted into the BA at Indiana and auditioned for the liberal arts BFA in MT at Indiana this morning... Up until this weekend, i wanted a conservatory. then i came here and fell in love with the school and the whole approach to education that comes from a liberal arts background. i think it will make me a much more educated and well rounded performer. this will translate to the stage. wanting a liberal arts education, as i've decided for myself this weekend, is a very respectable thing.</p>

<p>Kayla, I think you are very smart for lookgin at all the options and paths to a degree in theater. Like you, I was at first 100% sure I wanted a BFA, but now am reevaluating. I have revised my list many times and have taken off a few BFA's and added a few BA's. (Mulenburg and James Madison). I am of the mind that it is not where you get your degree that matters. Many paths lead to same destination. I remember someone posted a list of where the Tony nominee's went to college and not one attended a BFA program. Msot went for a more well rounded type of education and some did not major in theater at all.</p>

<p>Kayla, I think you are very smart for lookgin at all the options and paths to a degree in theater. Like you, I was at first 100% sure I wanted a BFA, but now am reevaluating. I have revised my list many times and have taken off a few BFA's and added a few BA's. (Mulenburg and James Madison). I am of the mind that it is not where you get your degree that matters. Many paths lead to same destination. I remember someone posted a list of where the Tony nominee's went to college and not one attended a BFA program. Msot went for a more well rounded type of education and some did not major in theater at all.</p>

<p>There are actually some MFA and MM programs in musical theatre. Boston Conservatory, University of Central Florida, and San Diego State University are a few. </p>

<p>There are many different paths to a career in the performing arts and each person has to find the school and the path that is right for him or her.</p>