Isn't LSAC's Policy of Giving 4.3 to A+ Unfair?

<p>To make my argument as simple as possible,</p>

<p>I thought the purpose of LSDAS GPA was to unify everyone's GPA on a common scale.
But some colleges give A+ and some don't, like mine.</p>

<p>But if I got 98 in a course, I will still only get A, which will be counted as 4.0 by LSAC, while someone else attending an institution that gives A+ who also got a 98 will get an A+, which will be counted as 4.3 by LSAC.</p>

<p>Isn't this a disadvantage for me? The difference of .3 seems too great.
I think A+ should be counted less (may be 4.1). </p>

<p>I just don't really see how this is fair.</p>

<p>Anyone agree/disagree?</p>

<p>A 98 in a 100-scale system is counted as a 4.3 as well.</p>

<p>Agreed. Your transcript doesn’t show what your number grade in the class was. Just your grade.</p>

<p>And I’m also disadvantaged by this no A+ thing.</p>

<p>I thank the gods above for the 4.33 boost. I’m depending on those.</p>

<p>No it isn’t unfair. It does exactly what it’s intended to do-- level the playing field.</p>

<p>How does it level the playing field if at school A, a 98 is an A+ and at school B a 98 is an A? :rolleyes: A/A+ should be the same.</p>

<p>A simple search of this and many other forums can give you the response you’re looking for-- err I mean NOT looking for hahahaha. :)</p>

<p>And by your reasoning, B+ and B should weighed be the same, which I you would presumably deem unfair also. B and B- should be equal too, since they are separated solely by a +/- as is the case with the B+ and B, and for that matter A+ and A. So where do we draw the line by YOUR logic? Will a C and A be weighed the same?</p>

<p>Now you might say that my comparison isn’t analogous because not all colleges offer A+'s, but as you’re probably aware, not all colleges offer +'s or -'s at all. Should the system change to include that as well? Your (89.4) B+ is now just a B.</p>

<p>Most schools have B+s. A significant enough number of schools don’t have A+s that many are disadvantaged. Until someone puts together a universal grading system, that’s the best that can be done.</p>

<p>^^^ I only know of one school that doesn’t have +/-'s other than than A+'s. I’m sure there are more, but they probably make up less than 2% of American schools (probably significantly less)? On the other hand, I believe the majority of schools don’t give out A+'s, so the kids from the ones that do have a significant advantage.</p>

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<p>Even if the majority of the schools don’t give out A+'s wouldn’t that just mean that less, and less students would actually get this advantage? So if really the amount of schools that give A+'s is insignificant, and even less graduates apply to law school (because I’m sure you’re aware that not all 25,000 undergrads at A±granting-UCLA apply to law school) and even less of those few individuals get a competitive LSAT score
are you really disadvantaged? I would say you’re hypberolizing the issue.</p>

<p>Haha are you trying to honestly argue that students with schools giving A+ grades do not have an advantage? I would have over a 4.0 GPA in this case. There is no way in hell it is not an advantage. It helps to cancel out those pesky A- and B+ grades.</p>

<p>How could anyone ever say that a 4.33 is not better than a 4.0? I’m merely saying to suck it up and move on. It’s not a big deal and if you’re a good candidate, you’ll get into a good law school. I’m also saying that if you read the context of posts, you’d realize that people are exaggerating the issue and using flawed logic to support their lack of support for the policy.</p>

<p>The number of schools that give A+'s is not “insignificant”. A large number do, a large number don’t. What I was referring to as being insignificant are the schools, like Brown, that only give A, B, or C, and nothing else- for all I know Brown may be the only one (though I think there are a handful more).</p>

<p>Attempting to use vague language to somehow safeguard your posts from criticism isn’t really that strategic. Saying that the “majority” don’t give A+'s is not the same as saying that a “large number do, a large number don’t”. </p>

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<p>The point is simple, the advantage isn’t “significant” because if the “majority” of colleges don’t give A+'s and the “majority” don’t apply to law school and the “majority” don’t get a good LSAT score relative to their high GPA, then the advantage is “[in]significant” and the “[min]ority” gets a small advantage.</p>

<p>If for every ten applicants with a GPA/LSAT combination that would make them candidates for Law School X, two come from undergraduate schools that give A+'s, those two, whether they actually received A+'s or not, would have an advantage in A+'s having been “available” to them. </p>

<p>I don’t think the use of the word “majority” was really that vague, but whatever. Cornell, UPenn, Columbia, Princeton all give out A+'s, whereas the other half of the Ivy League does not. Looking nationally, I believe that a majority do not, but probably greater than 20% do, meaning that roughly 20% of law school applicants have this advantage.</p>

<p>Do people whine about this more than is necessary? Probably. But it does exist.</p>

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<p>Of course not. The point is that some people are being graded on a 4.33 scale and having their GPAs treated like they were earned on a 4.0 scale. And LSAC could solve the problem simply by calculating an A+ as a 4.0 instead of a 4.33.</p>

<p>Why does the LSAC have to respect college’s grading policies? It certainly does not with A-'s-- I know several colleges that give more points for an A- than the LSAC.</p>

<p>And it certainly does mean that. If an A+ is weighed the same as an A, a B+ should presumably be weighed the same as a B. The difference is simply the + is it not?</p>

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<p>No. An A+ is a 4.33 on what is supposed to be a 4.0 scale. You don’t have to eliminate every gradation between 0 and 4 to get rid of the obviously unfair “bonus” an A+ gives. Alternatively, LSAC could acknowledge that schools giving A+‘s are actually using a different scale and knock a third of a grade point off their students’ GPAs.</p>

<p>1.) Yes, this is unfair.
2.) No, LSAC does not originate the unfairness.
3.) Failing to recognize it would ALSO be unfair, because it would erase A+'s that some students have earned.
4.) LSAC chooses to perpetuate an unfairness that preserves differences rather than an unfairness that suppresses them.
5.) It doesn’t matter, since very few A+'s are given out anyway.</p>