IU Kelley (Full Ride) vs Creighton (Full Ride)

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I wouldn’t say W&L doesn’t want you. You haven’t gotten a decision yet. But yes, they didn’t choose you for Johnson.

And yes, it’s ok to love those that love you back. That’s a great attitude in fact.

Many on here have commented that Jesuits are more service oriented.

Read about the Magis Core Curriculum.

Undergraduate Curriculum and Degree Requirements < Creighton University

The Magis Core Curriculum serves as the cornerstone of Creighton University education, laying a shared foundation for all undergraduate students in order to shape responsible citizens of the global community. In the Jesuit tradition, Magis is “the more”, aspiring toward excellence. As Catholic, the Magis Core Curriculum provides a framework to challenge students to pursue truth in all forms through the living tradition of the Catholic Church. As Jesuit, the Magis Core Curriculum is deeply rooted in Ignatian values and the Jesuit intellectual tradition, engaging students through intimate learning communities in critical dialogue about the ultimate questions of life.

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Thanks! I never explored the downtown area off campus (was kind of rushed last weekend which is why I think I probably should visit again) but I have heard that about the cuisine and it does seem to have a lot to offer in that regard! Yeah, athletic tickets aren’t a huge deal. And that’s true with having more space, I honestly would want to have some space to explore. Creighton I would also have Omaha though, so I think they both have a lot to offer. I’ll have to see what I think of Omaha.

Honors is amazing too! I went to a specific session at Direct Admit day that covered ACE/Honors, and it would be a lot smaller having those opportunities. I don’t want to have absurdly large class sizes, and I will still have some at IU, but ACE and then honors would certainly make it more tight knit. And for sure, as long as I work hard and make the most of my opportunities I think it will work out! :crossed_fingers:

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Magis does have a lot of requirements…Heider has the Heider Mindset Curriculum as well which somewhat complicates things. I was a bit iffy on some of the requirements as it seems like I would have more freedom in the curriculum at IU (although there are icore pre reqs I still have to do…gen eds though I should be good besides the 6 credits of arts and humanities! I have or will have the rest through AP credit and dual credit). IU is incredibly generous with what they take. I have a computer dual credit class I took in high school that was over Excel and Word, and it transfers as some CSCI class that counts as a natural science gen ed. That class should not count for that but somehow it does because they’re so lenient. I thought I was going to be stuck taking a random chemistry or biology class for that requirement, but I won’t have to if I go there. (Science is my most despised subject!)

Creighton is more stringent in terms of those requirements, though. I don’t mind the service aspect of their focus, as I think my Catholic high school was kind of similar to that (I’d say it was a watered down version). However, only having my AP scores count as undistributed credit is a bit annoying. I got a 4 on AP Lit and AP US History last year (took 2 APs last year and then 3 this year), and at IU I get 6 credits for US History and 3 credits for Lit…whereas Creighton I get “HIS 000” and “ENG 000” so I get 6 undistributed credits that don’t even get me out of any gen eds. I wouldn’t have as many opportunities to take electives, whereas I would have that at IU.

It’s a good thing to think about though, so thank you for bringing it up! I kind of forgot about that.

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Just popping in to congratulate you on these amazing choices! Your evaluation is methodical and shows maturity… so refreshing. Best of luck wherever you land! :heart:

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What are the annual scholarship renewal requirements from each school’s offers? For example, School A renews the scholarship each semester and you have to have a 3.50 GPA to renew it, whereas School B only does the renewal evaluation at the end of each school year and you need to have maintained a 3.0 overall GPA.

Kudos for coming up with a list of pro’s & con’s of each school. That helps you go through the decision-making in a very logical way.

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Aw thank you! I never thought I would have to make a decision like this so now that it’s a reality I want to make sure I consider everything from all directions, so just a lot to think about! :smiley:

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IU is a 3.5, and then Creighton is a 3.3 (I believe both are based on cumulative GPA). Kelley is more rigorous, so a 3.5 is harder to maintain than a 3.3 at Creighton. However, I’m going to be in a program (I haven’t gotten the acceptance but I automatically will get it when they release decisions later this month per my scholarship) called ACE that’s for the top 4% of direct admits at IU Kelley!

So realistically I would probably assess my academic potential/ability to be at least in the top 15-20% there (at IU). I don’t know exactly what I want to major in, but I’m not planning on finance, and that is arguably the toughest and harshest in terms of grading! I was doing some more research about the majors there and what interests me and determined that I could triple major (one of these is a co-major though so less credits) and graduate pretty comfortably taking 14.5 credits at the very max for one of my semesters (at least 3 semesters would only be 12 credits if that’s what I want). I’m bringing in a ton of credit that covers almost all of my gen eds except arts and humanities, and then I have some other courses that count for undistributed credit.

Anyways, I can major in Economic Consulting, Public Policy Analysis, and Law/Ethics/Decision Making. The required courses for those majors per the IU grade distribution database have on average about 40% of students receiving A’s. For the Law/Ethics/Decision Making, the rate of A’s in the required courses hover around 80%. The lowest I have seen for classes I would take are around 20% A’s, and those are primarily the ICORE pre reqs (not all of them are like that though, only a few). But I can take those comfortably without 18 credit hour semesters my first year, so I think I should be alright provided I do the work and manage my time accordingly!

ICORE is also one of the most involved and intensive parts of the Kelley experience, but I’d be in Honors ICORE, where the breakdowns are like this:

BUS-F 304 Honors Financial Management: 54-62% A

BUS-J 304: Honors Strategic Management: 91-97% A

BUS-M 304 Honors Marketing Management: 67-72% A

BUS-P 304 Honors Operations Management: 91-95% A

BUS-I 304 Honors I-Core Discussion: 90-93% A

With Creighton, I can’t find anything online concerning grade distribution. I did calculate the % of Heider students graduating summa cum laude (3.85 - 4.00), and gathered ~28% earned that. I think I could hit that, but at the very least a 3.3 seems doable. I would have to take 17-18 credits a semester though.

And yup! I have a whole spreadsheet I’m working on for everything, and then also trying to talk to current students.

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If you were my child I would tell you to go to the place where you think you’ll have the most fun, where you will enjoy life the most.

Don’t worry about triple majors or grade distributions. Realize that because you have so many credits earned while in high school that you can explore so many more subjects. Perhaps you’ll want to delve into another subject very deeply and get a second major, or a pair of minors. Or maybe you’ll take the opportunity to learn a new foreign language, or about a culture you’ve always been curious about, or a sculpture class, or a class on the effects of social media, or whatever it is that captures your interest (getting recs for the most interesting professors is also an excellent way to find great electives). And don’t forget about the chance to study abroad! You will probably never have another opportunity to study a myriad of subjects with experts in their fields and a cohort of like-minded peers. In the future it will be specialized study, or independent study, or study while you’re working full-time.

Which college has people that you think are interesting and would like to hang out with? Which college has more of the types of activities you would like to do (or try) while you’re in college? Think beyond career prep…I already know you’re going to have great summer internships and the like. But college is about more than getting ready for your first job. It’s about learning about different perspectives and experiences and just growing as an individual. You have been blessed with full rides from two different universities. Pick one and enjoy it to the fullest.

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You’ve given very sound advice, and 100% right! I don’t plan on triple majoring, just mentioned it to emphasize how much extra time I would have.

I don’t know how to explain this but I feel that throughout my whole high school experience (and perhaps this is simply the educational process in general), that I haven’t had much freedom to delve into my own personal interests. I do stuff in my free time, obviously, but all throughout my schooling I’ve had everything force fed to me. I was bound to requirements like a theology class every semester (not that there is anything wrong with theology), and felt as if everything was laid out for me and I had to follow that path. I’ve been thinking about this more and it almost makes me lean away from Creighton because I know I’ll have to adhere to such requirements.

Depending on where I go (Creighton maybe not as much for this), I don’t want to stop learning per se, but I don’t want to bombard myself with 18 credit hours a semester. Creighton I would have to do 16-18 every semester for sure, IU I could do at least 3 semesters with only 12 credits (and that’s if I did 3 majors, which I don’t plan on doing!)…so with less credit hours I could have more free time to participate in activities that spark my interest or hang out with friends, moreso than if I was constantly swamped with work. And studying abroad is a neat idea! I really want to do that, and I would have support at both places to do so––also depends on COVID precautions though but hopefully those will lessen even more in the next couple years.

My problem though is that I overthink and I research everything both these places have to offer and I think “Oh, well I could see myself doing this,” and it progresses to the point where I feel that I can adapt almost anywhere. I can picture myself at both places, even though they have different environments. It just flip flops back and forth.

I have looked into a super fun (but will definitely take a lot of work and dedication of time) opportunity at IU, although nothing is finalized yet, just a possibility, so I can’t say anything here! Waiting to see how my visit to Creighton goes and then also the process for what I initiated at IU. So hopefully I will know in the next 2 weeks or so!

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One of the reasons IU has stayed toward the top of my daughter’s list is because they make it possible to explore. They’ve really emphasized how they want students to branch out and take a class outside their major, bring their instruments even if they’re not in music, etc. That flexibility is very appealing.

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I’ve noticed that too! I like having that flexibility, so that’s definitely is a pro for IU. I’d have to fulfill my Arts & Humanities 6 credits for the general education requirements (though I would likely take other classes outside of Kelley during my 4 years), and there are soooo many interesting classes!

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Just found out I got so much money in financial aid from Notre Dame that I only have to pay 20k a year. Absolutely shocked because my EFC was more than double that. My parents can afford the 20k a year. That’s still 80k over a 4 year term though…not sure if that’s wasteful??

I am visiting Creighton this coming Sunday, but am 90% sure I don’t want to go there. They’re not a bad school by any means, but some of the school policies on certain things I don’t necessarily agree with. So I was thinking IU as of yesterday, even talked with some current students at some event I was with this past weekend, and they made me super excited about IU!!

It’s just Notre Dame is…NOTRE DAME!! Am I dumb for considering them when I have a full ride to an (arguably according to US News) top 10 business school in the country––IU Kelley? Notre Dame was one of my top schools from the beginning because they have amazing sports, campus is gorgeous, the amount of students is just right for me, and they’re good for business. My mom attended Saint Mary’s (right across the street from ND) and she was rejected from ND when she applied so for me I thought it would be so cool if I could be accepted and go. My whole dad and mom’s sides grew up watching Notre Dame football, I have relatives on my dad’s side that have taught at ND, are double and triple Domers, even played sports there…my family has just been very connected to it and are huge fans.

I don’t even know how to think about this right now because I don’t want to feel bad for making my parents pay 20k a year (even though they like Notre Dame), when I have the full ride at IU Kelley. I’m guessing I would probably end up comparable career wise at both, but I feel that I would fit in better at Notre Dame. So I guess the question is if that is worth 20k a year––for “fit.” I also don’t want to be wasteful and throw money out the window though.

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Different environments, fine schools.

Only you and your family can decide if UND is worth $80K. For many, it will be. Not all.

Your career may end up differently, may not. One can never know where roads lead or what could have been.

Good luck.

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Recently visited & stayed overnight on campus at Notre Dame. I do not have a single negative thought or comment or observation about Notre Dame. Easy to understand why one would pick Notre Dame over any other university in the nation. But, I love IU-Kelley–especially with a full tuition scholarship.

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If your family can afford ND (no hardship/no debt) and it feels like the better fit then go for it. Sounds like your parents would love to see you at ND as well.

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I know several ND grads. My friend’s son was accepted and will attend. His older brother is there now and is interning at one if the top hedge funds. Oldest sister graduated last year and is doing well. Nothing but positive things to say about ND.

If you like ND and the money works go there. Smaller and more attention than IU. No bad choices here.

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ND is affordable and you prefer it. Go there and thrive. Plus the football is better there. :wink:

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Congratulations on the acceptance and financial aid package from Notre Dame! That is wonderful news.

You have probably confirmed this already, but are there any loans in that financial aid package? Or is it all grants and/or work-study? If there are no loans and your family feels that Notre Dame is affordable and that’s where you have the best fit, then enjoy being part of the Fighting Irish.

I will say that since both IU and Notre Dame are in the same state you may want to visit both, just to be sure that you’re basing your decision on what real life is like at each campus.

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I’d have to take out 2,500 in loans per year, but I have money to cover that (savings and small local scholarships), so I wouldn’t graduate with any debt!

My parents and I are planning on visiting ND in a couple weeks now, and I know someone there too who has offered to show me around! I’ve been on the campus several times, but have only really walked through it (like spent my time) when I was in 6th grade on a field trip (thanks to Catholic schooling haha) and then when I was like 10 years old or something like that because my mom went to Saint Mary’s and she was showing me around ND and their campus as we visited my aunt who was a student at Saint Mary’s at the time.

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Congratulations! Let us know how the tour goes. I think you would be very happy at Notre Dame!

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