<p>I would like to attend an Ivy league school, probably Brown, but the only way I've found to be able to pay for college tuition is by getting an ROTC scholarship. This limits my college choices, especially for Ivy League schools. My dad will not be able to help with tuition so I'm kind of stuck going to a school that has ROTC unless I can find an outside scholarship agency. Is there any other way to pay for most to all of an Ivy League education without being in debt up to your eyeballs after graduation? I am a white male, so no help from minority groups.</p>
<p>Have you talked to your parents about what their financial situation? In order to get aid for college, you need to fill out FAFSA which will require a list of family assets and income, including tax info. This will generate your EFC which is your expected family contribution. The EFC determines your eligibility for the Pell Grant and the subsidized Stafford loan. Most private schools also require that you complete PROFILE (Brown is one) which then tells you what the college expects your family to pay. Schools like Brown will come up with full Financial aid to meet your need, after Pell, state monies and sometimes federal loans, are taken into account. So if your family has need by that formula, Brown and a number of such schools will meet it.</p>
<p>If you get a ROTC scholarship, that will cover a lot of the need. That is one outside scholarship that can help pay costs. Honestly, there are not very many large scholarships out there. Most of the aid comes from the colleges themselves, but you should subscribe to Fastweb and keep aware of local scholarship opportunities to apply for any applicable funds.</p>
<p>Do you know if you have to provide information about both parent's financials, even if one doesn't live with you? I ask because my mother is very stubborn and probably won't tell me anything about her financial situation. All I know is she makes less than 40K a year.</p>
<p>Yes you do for schools like Brown that use PROFILE.</p>
<p>If I were you, I'd apply for the Gates Millenium Scholarship, NSA Stokes Scholarship, SMART DoD scholarship, consider JHU's Army ROTC scholarship (I'm actually in ROTC right now).</p>
<p>Each scholarships pays full tuition scholarship. The Johns Hopkins ROTC battalion is great. Among the top 3 ROTC programs in the nation, they offer you terrific training and for those who are interested, they also pay full tuition for medical school as well. I plan to serve as a doctor in the army, I hope to use ROTC to pay for my Hopkins tuition and medical school bill as well. You just gotta find ways to pay for whatever situation you are in. I'm sure I am happy with the decision that I made.</p>
<p>Look into those scholarships, See which one is right for you. I'm in the same boat. I can barely afford it, I'm constantly looking out ways to supplement financing my education and I feel terrible that my parents hae to fit the bill until I graduate from medical school. </p>
<p>I highly recommend looking into the SMART DoD scholarship. Annual stipend of 22,000 each year PLUS full tuition scholarship, guarantee summer research internships at research labs across the nation, living allowances, book expenses (books can be REALLY expensive), and you get to work at DoD for a couple of years after you graduate too. Its a great idea for those who want that extra experience point on their med application resume and for those want to get a better chance at applying for med school. From different vantage points, its a win-win situation especiall for those who wish to supplement their medical school education with an army scholarship.</p>
<p>Brown doesn't have an ROTC atleast to my knowledge....Consider Johns Hopkins, its has Ivy league caliber students with a very very strong international reputation in the arts, humanities, and sciences especially in international relation and medical fields.</p>
<p>Gates Millenium Scholarship is for minority students & Stokes Scholarship is only for those demonstrating need (don't know if the OP would qualify).</p>
<p>From what I know -- talking with graduates of ROTC/college -- it is important to pick the ROTC program, rather than just enroll in the one attached to a college you like. The ROTC program will be a really big part of your college life -- and the better the program and more integrated, the better your experience will be. As far as I know, Cornell is the only Ivy with an on-site ROTC program (I believe it is Air Force).</p>
<p>If you are interested in the military -- have you considered applying to a service academy? While they are just about the opposite of Brown, the education is free -- and if military service is your goal, it is a good choice.</p>
<p>Harvard has a joint Marine ROTC program with MIT, and Princeton has a joint program with Rutgers for Air Force, also Marine & Army ROTC. </p>
<p>With the right academic and leadership qualifications, you can have all your tuition paid, and receive a monthly stipend which will help defray some of the room and board cost.</p>
<p>Could you begin to urge your mother to reconsider doing the aid forms? If her income is around 40K, and the combination of both parents is under 160,000, Harvard's new aid initiative would give you a good package. Perhaps you could download their FA info and show her it would really be beneficial to apply for aid.</p>
<p>Only choose the ROTC route if you are fully enthused toward military service for the four year post-college commitment.</p>
<p>I have no problem with the service obligations after graduating. I may even make a career out of it (I know, doesn't make much sense to make a career out of the military with an Ivy League education). I don't think I'll be able to get into Harvard though.</p>
<p>I think an Ivy League education is a great preparation for a military career- you would have a broad background in the many complex historical, social and religious conditions which are the foundations of current war.</p>
<p>Do your SATs reach 700 each? Don't assume you must have perfect 800s to be considered. The Ivies recognize service to country as a valuable quality in an applicant--ROTC would demonstrate your commitment. </p>
<p>Any athletic hook?</p>
<p>Well....not all ROTCs are made the same. As for what HSMomStef said, its important to choose the ROTC program, and not assume that the quality of the ROTC program at the host site is equivalent to the Ivy league caliber type school. I believe you can go to Tufts (although not Ivy league), you can join the Paul Revere Army ROTC BAttalion at MIT which hosts Harvard students as well.</p>
<p>I recommend in addition to Tufts, check out Johns Hopkins ROTC (I'm in it) Its a great opportunity, splendid people, among the best program in our region and probably across the nation, Top 3 overall in the nation.</p>
<p>That brings up another choice that I may have to face in the future. I am looking to join the Marine Corps, but would not mind serving in the Army. If I am offered a full ride to Vanderbilt on a NROTC Marine Option scholarship, I may have to turn down an Army scholarship to a better institution. It will all depend on when I recieve the results from the ROTC boards I suppose.</p>
<p>fauve: I am not planning on taking the SAT, but I believe a score of 700 on the SAT is approximatly the same as a 30 on the ACT. I have yet to take the ACT for score (Took it beggining of sophomore year to get a feel for the test. No studying, got a 24 composite). I don't want to sound discouraging about myself, but I do not believe that my statistics alone would be enough to get me into Princeton, Harvard, etc. Also, I do not know how much my JROTC leadership experience will be enough to propel me into an accepted slot. But I will consider applying.</p>
<p>I would think that a 700 SAT would be closer to a 32/33 ACT A 750 SAT would be a 34/35 ACT.</p>
<p>I was using this conversion scale.</p>
<p>If you go to collegeboard there is a conversion chart.</p>
<p>This is another link.</p>
<p>EDIT: BAH MARINE YOU BEAT ME!</p>
<p>Marine4Life - If you are interested in the Marines - they have a program call PLC - Platoon Leader's Course. You can sign up and go after your freshman year. You can get money for college but you won't be doing ROTC it is strictly summer. You will not get a full scholarship.
You can, however, get guaranteed ground or guaranteed aviation.</p>
<p>Advice - if you are offered an Army ROTC scholarship - keep it open until you get your NROTC offer - they usually come later. Don't turn anything down until you get all your offers/rejections.</p>
<p>Two current books that may interest you:
"One Bullet Away" - by Nathaniel Fick. He went to Dartmouth and then Marine OCS after college and became a Marine Officer.<br>
"This Man's Army" by Andrew Exum. He joined Army ROTC to pay for his Penn education. He was an infantry officer and a Ranger. He was posted to Ft Drum during 9/11 and fought in Afghanistan.</p>
<p>Marine4Life,</p>
<p>Brown has a new financial aid initiative (following Harvard's lead) and offers quite generous financial aid. I'm going on a full scholarship myself. I don't know if you've checked it out yet, but your family's financial situation may qualify you for a lot of Brown grant money.</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>