<p>For undergrad, Princeton because of its undergraduate focus, well-rounded strengths, and prestige, which is part of why I chose it. For grad, Harvard is top in almost everything.</p>
<p>Why the hate on Cornell? It has great programs in engineering, science, and CS AFAIK, as well as programs that no other Ivy offers but aren’t really academic subjects. But those programs don’t take away from its strengths in other areas, and ranking it last for graduate school is just dumb since Dartmouth barely has one, and Brown’s is not much better than Dartmouth’s. I don’t really understand why Cornell gets so much hate on this board. FYI, I’m attending Princeton and withdrew my apps to all the ivies except that and Harvard (where I also got in), so I don’t think I’m biased.</p>
<p>Also, ranking any of these overall is somewhat pointless, since by department the rankings can be totally different.</p>
<p>1 Harvard University
2 California Institute of Tech
3 Yale University
4 MIT
5 Stanford University
6 Princeton University
7 Brown University
8 Columbia University
9 Amherst College
10 Dartmouth
11 Wellesley College
12 University of Pennsylvania
13 University of Notre Dame
14 Swarthmore College
15 Cornell University
16 Georgetown University
17 Rice University
18 Williams College
19 Duke University
20 University of Virginia
21 Brigham Young University
22 Wesleyan University
23 Northwestern University
24 Pomona College
25 Georgia Institute of Technology
26 Middlebury College
27 U. of California: Berkeley
28 University of Chicago
29 Johns Hopkins University
30 USC
31 …</p>
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<li>Princeton: Best undergraduate teaching… too bad it’s not in a city</li>
<li>Harvard: It’s like a watered down version of Yale in terms of its “feel,” but IMO has slightly better academics.</li>
<li>Yale: If it had a better engineering program, I would place this as first (tied with Princeton)</li>
<li><p>Wharton. Upenn’s nursing school is pretty nice too, if you want to be a nurse.</p></li>
<li><p>Columbia: Great academics, but annoying core. I don’t want to spend a lot of time learning about how dead white men think.</p></li>
<li><p>Cornell: It’s a nice school I guess, but I would rather go to my state flagship (OSU), even without scholarships</p></li>
<li><p>Dartmouth: Too fratty, but supposedly amazing undergraduate teaching</p></li>
<li><p>Brown: I never really understood Brown</p></li>
<li><p>Upenn (the rest of it): It seems like a somewhat better and significantly more expensive version of a state flagship… Even its name sounds like that of a state flagship…</p></li>
</ol>
<p>^^Doesn’t Caltech have extremely low yield compared to the other top 6 in that ranking? Not sure how that places it at second if one is ranking solely on “revealed preference?”</p>
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<p>You would attend OSU full pay over non-Wharton Penn, Cornell, Brown, and Dartmouth? Why?</p>
<p><em>Revealed Preference-based Rankings for Students with Tastes for Various Fields of Study</em></p>
<p>Ranking among students who plan to major in engineering, math, computer science, or the
physical sciences -</p>
<p>1 Harvard
2 California Inst. of Tech.
3 Yale
4 MIT
5 Stanford
6 Princeton
7 Wellesley College
8 Williams College
9 Dartmouth College
10 Notre Dame
11 Amherst College
12 Brown
13 Columbia
14 Swarthmore College
15 Cornell
16 University of Pennsylvania
17 Duke
18 Rice
19 Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science
20 Colgate
21 University of Chicago
22 Harvey Mudd
23 Georgia Inst. of Technology
24 Northwestern
25 University of Virginia</p>
<p>Ranking among students who plan to major in the humanities -
1 Yale
2 Stanford
3 Harvard
4 Princeton
5 Brown
6 Columbia
7 Notre Dame
8 Amherst College
9 University of Pennsylvania
10 Dartmouth College
11 Swarthmore College
12 Georgetown
13 Wellesley College
14 Pomona College
15 Duke
16 St. John’s College
17 Kalamazoo College
18 Middlebury College
19 University of the South
20 Claremont McKenna
21 Rice
22 Cornell
23 Carleton College
24 Wesleyan
25 Northwestern</p>
<p>** A REVEALED PREFERENCE RANKING OF U.S. COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES **
by
CHRISTOPHER AVERY
MARK GLICKMAN
CAROLINE HOXBY,
AND ANDREW METRICK*
December 2005</p>
<p>This is a pointless thread, other than pointing out the type of nebbish students who use this site. The constant negative comments about Brown are also tiresome. Brown produced FOUR Rhodes scholars this past year…the same as Princeton and Harvard and more than any other Ivy.</p>
<p>I recall once being in the grocery store check out line and seeing a Cosmo magazine. On its cover was a byline: “Are you a genius or a dummy: a quiz”</p>
<p>I laughed because the answer was determined by anyone who would actually take that quiz. </p>
<p>It reminds me of this mindless thread. How to tell if you’re concerned about your school and what others think about it – by adding to the list and commenting on others’ lists. I wonder if a single actual HYP student or alum has actually added his/her list. I doubt it. Here’s a hint: We don’t care.</p>
<p>Subjective, based on my assessment/ranking of colleagues and classmates who attended these schools for undergrad:</p>
<p>1-2: Yale and Princeton. Consistently high caliber, extremely well-educated and intellectually curious</p>
<p>3: Harvard. Very uneven quality - some out-of-this-world smart and accomplished people along with some very ordinary ones. However, the smartest Harvard grads were smarter than the smartest Yale and Princeton grads. High “beta”, in finance-speak…</p>
<p>4-6: Dartmouth, Penn, Columbia. Significant step down from Y-P-H in terms of both horsepower and overall education. Not better educated than the public ivy grads (Michigan, Berkeley) I’ve worked with.</p>
<p>7-8: Cornell and Brown. Not really in the same league as the rest. Some very capable people from Cornell, but Brown grads were distinctly unimpressive. </p>
<p>Frankly, I think the person who said that HYP are the only “real” ivies had it exactly right. It might be worth going to Columbia because of the Manhattan experience, but I don’t see that Dartmouth or Penn is better - for undergrad, mind - than any of a dozen other national universities. Brown and Cornell are probably a notch below most of the other national universities for nearly anything you’d want to study.</p>
<p>Harvard itself knows this. Back in the day, about 40% of the Law School class came from either H, Y or P undergrad. U-Michigan contributed more students to HLS than any of the non-HYP ivies.</p>
<p>^U of Michigan not even on the top 25 of the Revealed Preference-based Rankings list, how much you know about U of Michigan, what are their student body?.. better than any Ivy?</p>
<p>^ In my day, Harvard Law School accepted more non-HYP applicants from U-Michigan than from any other school. I’m not saying that this one data point is dispositive, rather that it adds weight - pretty significant weight - to my subjective assessment of the relative intellectual caliber of the non-HYP and HYP grads I’ve known, studied and worked with.
YMMV.</p>
<p>You are a pompous fool. If Brown grads are so unimpressive how did tHey win four Rhodes scholars in 2011 and 30 Fullbrights. Where do you get off making judge,ends like this.</p>
My mileage does vary…significantly. You’re off your rocker if you think Michigan or Berkeley are anywhere close to being as well represented at HLS or YLS as Brown.</p>
<p>This is despite the fact that Michigan has 4 times as many law school applicants as Brown.</p>
<p>There are so many Michigan graduates attending mediocre law schools like Cooley, Wayne State, John Marshall, and Brooklyn Law. At Brown, 9 of the top 10 law schools are T-14. While at Michigan, only U of M Law and Columbia crack the top 10 law schools that matriculate the most Michigan graduates.</p>
<p>The same could be said for Cornell. All the Ivies are among the top 12 American universities in my opinion when you consider everything like faculty strength, student body prowess, selectivity, and financial resources. Only Stanford, MIT, UChicago, Duke, and perhaps JHU or Northwestern can be considered to be on par.</p>
<p>I dont understand why a lot of people on here are saying non-wharton penn is a joke. Penn is arguably #1 or #2 for pre-med. Penn has the most scientific research spending of all the ivys, 4 hopsitals on campus, and has the #2 best med school in the country.</p>
<p>furthermore, michigan should not be considered on par with any of the ivys. It is a good state flagship school. It is not a top world renowned university.</p>