<p>Lmao.</p>
<p>Don't feel bad, honestly... look at the stats of all the people deferred/rejected.</p>
<p>Selectivity based on percent accepted:</p>
<p>2008 stats
1. Harvard: 7.1%
2. Yale: 8.6%
3. Princeton: 9.0%
4. Columbia: 10%
5. Dartmouth: 13.2%
6. Brown: 13.4%
7. Penn: 16.4%
8. Cornell: 20.5%</p>
<p>someone has posted this before, but it depends on what you are looking for</p>
<p>pre business track:
hyp/penn
dmouth
columbia
the rest</p>
<p>pre med track:
hyp/dmouth
the rest</p>
<p>humanities/social sciences/pre law
hyp
the rest</p>
<p>hard sciences/engineering
cornell
princeton
penn for engineering maybe
the rest</p>
<p>Professional schools (med, law, business)
Harvard</p>
<p>penn
the rest</p>
<p>let's be honest UPenn would be absolutely nothing without wharton. ok that's not entirely true, it does have some great undergrad programs, but wharton is really the main attraction. For pretty much anything other than business, I would take Columbia over Penn any day.</p>
<p>No, i would say that penns SEAS is better than columbias SEAS too, but out side of those, columbia has the edge. In reality though, this is useless. There is not really a significant difference between these schools outside of their "power programs" (like cornell engineering, or penn's wharton, or columbia's something, I dont know much about columbia).</p>
<p>2008 stats
1. Harvard: 7.1%
2. Yale: 8.6%
3. Princeton: 9.0%
4. Columbia: 10%
5. Dartmouth: 13.2%
6. Brown: 13.4%
7. Penn: 16.4%
8. Cornell: 20.5%</p>
<p>As for the above, I think judging a school's prestige or ranking based on acceptance rate is such ********. School's like Dartmouth will obviously receive fewer apps because of its location versus Columbia, which...to be perfectly honest, is only that low of a % because people go: "Oh sweet, an ivy in the city? I can go shopping everyday!!!" </p>
<p>And for Penn...yea, most of it comes from Wharton, let's be honest.</p>
<p>"In the beginning, before there was a Big 10 or a Big 12 or a Big 8, there was the Big Three;
Harvard, Princeton and Yale. The Lord looked upon these Three and saw that they were good, but not in themselves sufficient for the needs of His people. Thus He caused lesser, but still wonderful, institutions to form; among these Penn, Dartmouth and Columbia. Finally He observed that even the dregs of the elite needed a place of their own and so Brown and Cornell took form. </p>
<p>At least that is what we tell the children."</p>
<p>Whoever said this made me laugh uncontrollably for like 10 minutes. Congratulations to you, it's a hard thing to do.</p>
<p>Oh, and Wharton > HYP in pre-business all-day and twice between the hours of 9:30am and 4:00pm. Some recruiters don't even go to any other campus to pick up their goons. Plus we have Warren Buffet, okay?</p>
<p>This is just my opinion. </p>
<p>Havard
Princeton
Yale
Columbia
Cornell
Penn
Dartmouth
Brown</p>
<p>This pre-business ranking makes no sense haha</p>
<p>hyp/penn _ Penn has an Undergrad business school (the Best #1)), so the fact that you have HYP before it makes no sense </p>
<p>As well as Cornell and its program is ranked 4th in the nation
dmouth
columbia
the rest</p>
<p>Pre-business track </p>
<p>Upenn
Cornell
Columbia
Harvard
Princeton
Yale
Dartmouth
Brown</p>
<p>Im not gonna lie, I dont know/care much for prebusiness, and HYP wasnt ahead, they were on the same level, I just put them first. I just thought it was relevant so I tried to include it. I put dmouth up there because of the D-plan. Im a hard science/engineering guy, and as far as im concerned, Cornell destroys the rest of the ivy league, except for Princeton, which is still fairly far behind.</p>
<p>*
Pre-business track</p>
<p>Upenn
Cornell
Columbia
Harvard
Princeton*</p>
<p>Cornell and Columbia above HYP is just ridiculous.</p>
<p>"In the beginning, before there was a Big 10 or a Big 12 or a Big 8, there was the Big Three;
Harvard, Princeton and Yale. The Lord looked upon these Three and saw that they were good, but not in themselves sufficient for the needs of His people. Thus He caused lesser, but still wonderful, institutions to form; among these Penn, Dartmouth and Columbia. Finally He observed that even the dregs of the elite needed a place of their own and so Brown and Cornell took form. </p>
<p>At least that is what we tell the children."</p>
<p>Oh if I had a dollar for every parent I knew who lived by this scripture. </p>
<p>Also, Penn was founded before Princeton.</p>
<p>First off, Penn was not really founded before Princeton. If Princeton were to claim its founding date the same way Penn has, it would be 1726 (Log College).</p>
<p>Second, I have no idea where these business rankings are coming from. Not to be condescending but frankly, much of this discussion seems to be pulled from people's asses. Cornell and Columbia are by no means bigger targets than HYP. At least not for any company that matters. For finance/business the top 3/4 would be a tie between Harvard, Princeton, Wharton and possibly Yale. After that it would unquestionably be Dartmouth which places far better than you would guess. I would say it goes more like:</p>
<p>Harvard/Wharton/Princeton
Dartmouth/Yale
Columbia/Penn
Cornell
Brown</p>
<p>For purposes of disclosure, I did go to Princeton and have volunteered for on-campus recruiting at my firm. I've seen the number of interview slots allotted to each of these schools for not only my company but most of my friends companies as well and it seems to pretty much follow that order.</p>
<p>Gonna have to go with Pimpdaddy on this one.</p>
<p>...felt weird just typing that.</p>
<p>^^ haha had to laugh at that one</p>
<p>Pimpdaddy is absolutely right. There are many people here with REAL experience in the business world and who have recruited at top companies. If you look at recruiter lists it goes like this:</p>
<p>Harvard/ Princeton/ Wharton
Dartmouth/ Yale
Penn/ Columbia
Cornell/ Brown</p>
<p>Cornell's (AEM) is ranked #11, right next to Indiana. Also after Wharton (and maybe Ross, Stern, and Haas) you're better off going to an Ivy for econ then getting a BBA if you want to work for a top firm. Cornell isn't even close to a dartmouth or Yale in terms of recruiting.</p>
<p>
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Pimpdaddy is absolutely right.
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<p>That statement made me LOL.</p>
<ol>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Yale
...
...</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>U Penn</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
</ol>
<p>HYP is tied. And yes, the others are really that much lower in comparison.</p>
<p>Yea, apologies on the name. Its from ages ago :(</p>
<p>
[quote]
1. Harvard
1. Princeton
1. Yale
...
...
4. Dartmouth
5. Columbia
6. U Penn
7. Brown
8. Cornell</p>
<p>HYP is tied. And yes, the others are really that much lower in comparison.
[/quote]
</p>
<p>That's just dumb. First of all, it's not HYP because they're far better, it's HYP because they're the oldest (in that order) and most prestigious.</p>
<p>Also everybody should remember that the Ivy League is an athletic conference of these really old (ivy-covered) schools. This developed into a connotation of excellent academics, but that was not the source of the term "Ivy Leauge."</p>