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hey hcvops, your post made no sense. Fewer apps for fewer slots would be at most a wash against something like Columbia, where it's a LOT more apps versus slightly more slots.
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ok thanks, that was what I was asking. I was under the impression that columb had a much larger incoming freshman class.</p>
<p>Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Cornell
Dartmouth
Upenn
Columbia
Brown</p>
<p>What the hell you guys...they're all IVY LEAGUE. They are all AMAZING. What is the difference between a Harvard grad and a Brown grad?? NOTHING (except the Harvard grad may be a tad bit more pretentious).</p>
<p>But if I had to rank...</p>
<p>1) Harvard
2) Princeton
3) Yale
4) UPenn
5) Dartmouth
6) Columbia
7) Brown
8) Cornell</p>
<p>In terms of undergraduate experience (many of the rankings are graduate)</p>
<ol>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Brown-- but some issues with graduate school due to grade inflation, etc</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Penn</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Cornell
7.</li>
</ol>
<p>Based upon undergraduate experience:</p>
<ol>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Brown-- some issues with grade inflation and graduate admissions</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Penn</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
</ol>
<p>Completely subjective/unserious/pulled straight from my ass:</p>
<ol>
<li>Yale (just sounds good, y'know?)</li>
<li>Columbia (diversity + badassness + nyc)</li>
<li>Brown (open curriculum=true meaning of higher education=win)</li>
<li>Harvard (gives you the ultimate bragging rights) </li>
<li>Princeton (rich white suburbs yay!)</li>
<li>UPenn (Mommy, I'm gonna be a Whartonite when I grow up)</li>
<li>Cornell (it's actually not a crapshoot)</li>
<li>Dartmouth (er...New Hampshire anyone?)</li>
</ol>
<p>=) Now honestly, can we all get over this? No one should attempt to rank anything in the top 20, the lines get way too blurred. Can't we all just agree that they're all excellent schools where you'll get a great education?</p>
<p>Why am I even asking? <em>sigh</em></p>
<ol>
<li>harvard</li>
<li>yale</li>
<li>princeton</li>
<li>brown</li>
<li>columbia</li>
<li>dartmouth</li>
<li>cornell</li>
<li>penn</li>
</ol>
<p>For the international student needing financial aid:</p>
<ol>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Penn</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
</ol>
<ol>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>UPenn</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
</ol>
<p>JMO.</p>
<p>My Ranking (based on where I would like to attend):</p>
<p>1)Yale/Princeton (hoping this is my choice come April 1st)
2)Penn
3)Harvard
4)Columbia
5)Cornell
6)Dartmouth
7)Brown</p>
<p>I think it would be very biased if someone only tries to use U.S News, Shanghai-Jiao Academic Ranking, and THES QS Rankings.</p>
<p>Here are some other ranking institutions that should be considered : CMUP, Washington Monthly, Newsweek, Forbes, Ranking Web, National Research, G-Factor, Performance Ranking of World Universities, and Performance Ranking of scientific papers in world universities.></p>
<p>If you consider all of these ranking institutions and consider all of these rankings, this is the rational objective ranking that you would get:</p>
<ol>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Penn</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
</ol>
<p>Contrary to what is shown in the ranking, many people consider Dartmouth as "very amazing" school. Dartmouth is not such a great school, according to my opinion. They, so far had no Noble Laureates who were affiliated with the university, does not have any great research rankings, any good rankings from social mobilities, not a lot of great intern opportunities..> These things really make Dartmouth weak in many different areas.</p>
<p>They are all great schools. Anyone getting into one of these schools should feel lucky.
To split hair, for undergraduate:
Dartmouth
Princeton
Yale
Brown
Harvard
Columbia/Penn/cornell</p>
<p>Nice8872, I believe that much of what you are describing is a function of graduate school and related research. You are flat wrong about internships, IMHO. Professor is close to my opinion, with Princeton and Dartmouth having the greatest undergraduate focus and I would add undergraduate student satisfaction. Look at matriculation data to graduate schools, on a percentage basis and not number of students. When you look at Quality of Life, Academic Rating (undergraduate), Selectivity, etc., you will find Princeton, Dartmouth, Stanford, and Brown ahead of the rest, IMHO. If you are an urban person quality of life may end up being a preference item.</p>
<p>I like these threads:</p>
<p>Princeton
Yale
Harvard
Columbia
UPenn
Dartmouth
Cornell
Brown</p>
<p>harvard
yale
princeton
columbia
penn
brown
cornell
dartmouth</p>
<p>hi all, let's put it all out there. why columbia 7th for undergrad experience? i say this because i think it is just based on some pseudo feeling without fact. if you are to tell me that harvard's notoriously weak emphasis on undergraduates, or yale's leniency with graduation requirements (I could have graduated in 2.5 years taking thrifty courses) that these are the exemplars of Education? They are great schools, good experiences, but not for everyone. I would not want to go to those schools - I can clearly articulate why. They lack the diversity, the emphasis on Education that I think is a trademark at my alma mater. To those who are admitted and love their schools - I know you understand my feeling. Let us please defend our claims with at least the pretense of having a debate instead of a listing that screams of childish sensations.</p>
<p>Why Columbia undergrad? Small undergraduate community that is approximately Princeton's size. Small intimate campus where all students are within 10 minutes of their furthest class. Immediate access to New York City. Unique and transformative undergraduate curriculum. As a full university along with Harvard and Princeton (and to an extent Penn) noted because of its breadth of academic offerings. Number of top ten programs in diverse areas from Chemistry to Political Science to Engineering. And the most diverse undergraduate experience. I think that it is unique within the pantheon of Ivy League experiences. It does not regurgitate the Harvard or Cornell experience, it is its own. And so when you rank, be honest, you are doing so because you have no idea. </p>
<p>Admissions data itself is a horrible reason to explain why one school is better than another. And as noted these are all fantastic places to study. And the saddest part is that some of you may actually go on and represent your institutions. I hope you grow up and start appreciating schools for WHO THEY ARE and not how they look on your resume. If not, then you aren't worth the piece of paper they give you at the end.</p>
<p>nice- Dartmouth has the best Internship access after Harvard and Princeton (the Dplan is AMAZING for internships). It also spends the most on advising, has one of the best placements into top 5 grad schools after HYP, and is the richest Ivy per student after HYP. Its an UNDERGRADUATE school though - the research ranks don't apply to it.</p>
<p>Much of the same goes for Brown and Princeton (the other schools you ranked the lowest). You're confusing graduate school with an undergraduate education.</p>
<p>slipper1234 - thanks for your honesty and the factor that I didn't put consideration: internship access. However, I just would like to note that I'm not "confusing" undergrad with graduate schools. I only put down the data for the undergraduate rankings. Also, I did not just copy that IVY league ranking from nothing. Really, just go to Washington Monthly, Ranking Web and look at their methodology and do some research on those. Just in terms of academics, research rankings, academic performances, sorry, but rank goes to that list.
If you really want to disagree with me, I'm okay with that. But, I just would like to note that I'm not just making that up. Look at Dartmouth's academic achievements. They had literally 0 nobel laureates..> I don't think that explains anything for their academic achievements..> Brown for 3... not trying to say that Harvard, Columbia, Cornell, or Penn have a lot of nobel laureates therefore it's a better school but I'm just saying. How many of each college's graduates actually received nobel prize is something that should be considered, and also other prizes,, pulitzer prize, etc.> But, I do sincerely appreciate your thought.</p>
<p>Nice, I am not sure that any undergraduates or any professors who are focused on undergraduate education have received nobel laureates. That is the point, I do not believe Dartmouth focuses on professors becoming nobel lauerates. When you see some upper tier institutions who don't focus their professors on undergraduates and secondarily on their research, the undergraduates suffer because they are not given the dedicated attention. Professors in some institutions are more concerned about their research and then less access and attention is given to the undergrads. Would you rather not be taught by a nobel lauerate and say they are in your school, or be taught by a professor that cares to teach undergraduates all that they want to know, and then send them off to graduate school? I think that is the point that is being made. I think undergraduates care about undergraduate education and many care about getting into graduate school and maybe then being associated with a nobel laureate, then whether nobel laureates have graduated from or teach at their school.</p>
<p>OldCard, nice was referring to</p>
<p>"How many of each college's graduates actually received nobel prize...and also other prizes,, pulitzer prize, etc."</p>
<p>not the number of Nobel Laureates teaching at a given institution.</p>