<p>The stats nice is using, however, actually refer to faculty not alumni.</p>
<p>The point I was making is that there are no prize winners without graduate degrees. Correct me if I am wrong, but we are talking about undergraduate education here. I believe the data shows a positive correlation between student satisfaction, percent of professor's teaching classes, professor interest rankings, and professor access. Again, IMHO. That is why I have ranked the top 4 as Princeton, Dartmouth, Stanford, and Brown. Throw in some NESCAC schools not too far under. Throw in Pomona,and a couple others for the undergraduate hurrah, and you have an opinion.</p>
<p>revives! jjj</p>
<p>for why i think P should always come before Y in any objective list:</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/princeton-university/713600-yale-math-science-princeton.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/princeton-university/713600-yale-math-science-princeton.html</a></p>
<p>i don’t see Y having any particular leverage over P; i couldn’t say the same vice versa.</p>
<p>Oh, that thread - the one where graduate school rankings were used to try to show Princeton’s superiority over Yale. If you are looking at anything based of of graduate schools, you also need to consider law school, medical school, and business school, all of which Princeton doesn’t have. A more accurate comparison would be Yale+math/some sciences (not all) - any semblance of a professional school = Princeton. Thusly, its hard to really say that Princeton is objectively better than Yale. This is especially so because the quality differences in the academic disciplines you are asserting Yale “doesn’t have” are perceived differences, and thus themselves subjective.</p>
<p>i revived this because this was my most popular + watched thread… hhaha</p>
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<p>Dude, shouldn’t that be Harvard and Penn and to an extent Princeton? Penn is the full university with the requisite graduate schools and programs (including the holy grad trinity of business, law, med), where as Princeton does not.</p>
<p>bump</p>
<p>ten char</p>
<p>The ultimate arbiters- the Swedish Academy.</p>
<p>[List</a> of Nobel laureates by university affiliation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize_laureates_by_university_affiliation]List”>List of Nobel laureates by university affiliation - Wikipedia)</p>
<ol>
<li>Columbia 78</li>
<li>Harvard 75</li>
<li>Cornell 40</li>
<li>Yale 34</li>
<li>Princeton 32</li>
<li>Penn 21 </li>
<li>Brown 3</li>
<li>Dartmouth 0</li>
</ol>
<p>Columbia (9), Harvard (9) and Penn (6) have had the most prizes in the 2000s</p>
<p>God bless those Swedes.</p>
<p>Princeton (Best undergrad education)
Harvard (#1 ranking is usually name-based)
Yale (Just seems like the other two are better)
Columbia (Seems like the best of the lower 5)
Dartmouth (Usually punished because it isn’t a research university)
UPenn (Really only known for Wharton)
Cornell (Best engineering in the ivies)
Brown (I just don’t like Brown)</p>
<p>For no particular reason…</p>
<p>Yale
Columbia
Dartmouth
Harvard
Cornell
Princeton
Brown
UPenn</p>
<p>I stand corrected about Dartmouth.</p>
<p>List of Nobel laureates by university affiliation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</p>
<ol>
<li>Columbia 78</li>
<li>Harvard 75</li>
<li>Cornell 40</li>
<li>Yale 34</li>
<li>Princeton 32</li>
<li>Penn 21 </li>
<li>Brown 3</li>
<li>Dartmouth 3</li>
</ol>
<p>Dartmouth has also graduated three Nobel Prize winners: Owen Chamberlain (Physics, 1959),[191] K. Barry Sharpless (Chemistry, 2001),[192] and George Davis Snell (Physiology or Medicine, 1980).</p>
<p>According to wiki, total number of Nobel laureates affiliated with Columbia is 88, more than any other academic institution.)</p>
<p>[List</a> of Nobel laureates by university affiliation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize_laureates_by_university_affiliation]List”>List of Nobel laureates by university affiliation - Wikipedia)</p>
<p>Looks like it’s West Point.
[United</a> States Military Academy at West Point](<a href=“http://www.usma.edu%5DUnited”>http://www.usma.edu)</p>
<p>Subjectively (and how could any of you oafs claim to make an objective college ranking…):
- Princeton
- Harvard
- Dartmouth
- Yale
- Columbia
- Brown
- Penn
- Cornell</p>
<p>Where do people get the idea that kids apply to Columbia just because it’s in New York? It’s not even on the common app. To apply you have to not be a complete ■■■■■■. And NYU would soak up more of those types.</p>
<p>PLUS Harvard college has a higher acceptance rate than Columbia college, and no one could deny that Harvard gets a ton of applicants just because it’s Hah-vad.</p>
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<p>Because I hear it all the time from their own mouths. Columbia and NYU both get such apps. Soaking is not mutually exclusive for these two urban sponges…</p>
<p>Columbia’s acceptance rate is not lower than Harvard’s. </p>
<p>Acceptance rate for the class of 2013:
Harvard: 7.0 %
Columbia: 8.94%</p>
<p>Harvard is still the most selective school in the country (as measured by acceptance rate).</p>
<p>I’m sorry I should have clarified. Columbia College’s regular decision admission rate is lower than Harvard’s. I know that doesn’t include ED, but that’s a fairly important measure regardless. What’s Penn’s? almost 3 times that?</p>
<p>Harvard
2,175/27,462 = 7.9%
Columbia
1411/18832 = 7.5%</p>
<ol>
<li>Columbia isn’t on the common app</li>
<li>Columbia’s app is a BI***</li>
<li>NYU is on the common app, and would more likely get the “omgomgom i could live in NYC!!1” kids</li>
<li>After 30 seconds of research any idiot would discover Columbia’s Core, which I would argue is a pretty heavy deterrent to most people.</li>
<li>Why doesn’t SEAS have a correspondingly high number of applicants? Same city, same school. Are you arguing that engineering kids are immune to the city’s siren call?</li>
<li>You still don’t account for Harvard’s “what they hell, might as well try it’s HARVARD!LOL” applicants. I know several from my school.</li>
</ol>
<p>Clearly, HYPCPennBDC</p>