<p>not sure what you're basing your rankings on, since princeton won both swimming titles this year.</p>
<p>The women entered the 2006 Ivy championships as an underdog to Harvard, but a quick start and strong finish gave Princeton a stunning win. One week later, the men defined the importance of team with an upset win over another Harvard team. </p>
<p>And for the next 12 months, both league titles will remain in Princeton.</p>
<p>Check the 2005-06 standings, scottie - click the extra link at the top for the women's Ivy standings.</p>
<p>edited: it appears that the ivy league champions are determined not by records in individual meets but by standings in the three-day meets that conclude the season. those meets are the "ivy championship" for the women, and the "EISL championship" for the men (the EISL includes the eight ivies, plus navy).</p>
<p>from the ivy league site to which you cited:</p>
<p>"The Princeton Tigers won their sixth Ivy League Women's Swimming and Diving Championship in seven years Saturday night at Blodgett Pool in Cambridge, Mass."</p>
<p>(note pic captioned "2006 ivy league champion princeton tigers.")</p>
<p>and:</p>
<p>"A spirited crowd at the Nassau Aquatic Center Saturday night, mostly sporting orange and black, watched as the Princeton Tigers claimed the 2006 Eastern Intercollegiate Swimming League Championships Saturday night in East Meadow, N.Y." </p>
<p>That's the post-season tourney, and not the league standings, to which I have posted a link.</p>
<p>it appears that the ivy league champions are determined not by records in individual meets but by standings in the three-day meets that conclude the season. those meets are the "ivy championship" for the women, and the "EISL championship" for the men (the EISL includes the eight ivies, plus navy). see above.</p>
<p>The official standings, however, are as I have posted, with a link to the Ivy site.</p>
<p>you haven't even posted those correctly, since they have harvard and princeton tied for #1 on the men's side. nor have you correctly posted the baseball standings, which are broken up into two divisions. as champions of their respective divisions, harvard and princeton meet this weekend to determine the ivy champion.</p>
<p>In all cases on the Ivy site teams are posted by their conference record, with ties broken by their overall record. This is the way Ivy rankings are always listed.</p>
<p>Princeton's basball team is the weak-sister "winner" of the loser division in baseball. If it were in the same division as Harvard, it would be in <em>last place.</em></p>
<p>That's why the regular season rankings are a better indicator than some random 2 out of 3 "playoff" between the true winner and some marginal team that scrapes into that playoff by being "the best of the worst."</p>
<p>And for what it's worth Byerly (which is not much since I simply don't see how winning any sports championships leads to having a better school), Princeton won the Men's Golf ivy championship, the women's hockey ivy championship, tied with Harvard and Yale for the men's squash ivy championship (and Princeton's El Halaby won his fourth consecutive national individual championship, beating oh horrors a Harvard man) and tied with Dartmouth and Brown for the women's basketball ivy championship.</p>
<p>All of those facts are true ---including the ties.</p>
<p>We are only engaged in this silly exercise because a prior poster pointed out - correctly - that the "Ivy League" is primarily a sports conference, and that any "ranking" of the Ivies should thus be in athletic competitions.</p>
<p>Back to Ivy rankings....lol.</p>
<p>"Princeton's basball team is the weak-sister 'winner' of the loser division in baseball. If it were in the same division as Harvard, it would be in <em>last place.</em>"</p>
<p>the rolfe division has long been the stronger of the two (not princeton's fault that columbia, cornell, and penn stink), but that hasn't stopped princeton from winning four of the last six league championships, at least a couple of them at harvard's expense.</p>
<p>Just my point. You get a free pass to the playoffs playing in the weaker half of this mickey mouse "two division" setup.</p>
<p>In a 2 out of 3 series, lightning might strike and the Tampa Bay Devil Rays could beat the Yankees.</p>
<p>Just because it might happen doesn't make it right.</p>
<p>Compare: <a href="http://gocrimson.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/spec-rel/011805aad.html%5B/url%5D">http://gocrimson.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/spec-rel/011805aad.html</a></p>
<p>I would probably sort a list based on Putnam winners or something like that, which I think would put Harvard on top.</p>
<p>Putnam winners are hardly an indicator of anything, not even the excellence of the math department at any school.</p>
<p>What would be a good indicator of the excellence of a math department?</p>
<p>hey guys..im going to Cornell next year..why are we always at the bottom =</p>
<p>/\ haha, that is one funny comment.</p>
<p>people need ego-boosters, that's all. </p>
<p>Glad to see there was actually a discussion about athletics!</p>
<p>Cornell is going to have a VERY good football team next fall.</p>