<p>IvyGrad I'm really kind of embarassed at the way my neighbor titled the forum. I think his point was that ivies shouldn't be chosen because their ivies, that the individual merits of each school should be weighed. I definitely agree with him but I'm really sorry if he offended anyone on CC.</p>
<p>"...and the personal assualts continue..."
I wasn't talking to you Ivy_grad, I didn't even know you were an adult. (Hmm, wonder why) I was talking about Thekev's neighbor, and Thekev politely explained away something I originally thought bizarre. I have actually been agreeing with some of the points you have been raising, so I don't see how any personal attacks are continuing. Anyhow, now that you know...Chill.</p>
<p>(I had to rescue a ladybug who had fallen in my keyboard, hence the spaces and xxxxxxxxx - I think it adds a certain cachet - will not edit)
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxPerhaps thekev's neighbor comes from around Washington DC, and if so, I can see his point in terms of the job market. For instance, UMD CS grads are snapped up before they graduate at excellent starting salaries - it is a very strong department, many of the teachers have significant professional experience, and the students get great internships throughout their course of study. (With many years in IT, I owe it to CC denizens to mention the virtues of UMD CS. If you want to work in IT, check it out).</p>
<p>If you think most Human resource people screening job applicants are wowed by the IVYs think again...where do you think they went to school--odds are a state or so called no name school. I just think anyone who chooses a school based on "prestige" gets what they deserve.</p>
<p>"Think"
..........dogs. you keep using that word [think], I don't think it means what you think it means.</p>
<p>[Princessbride]</p>
<p>"If you think most Human resource people screening job applicants are wowed by the IVYs think again...where do you think they went to school--odds are a state or so called no name school."</p>
<p>Big misconception here. Do you actually think its the HR people who hold the sway when recruiting for prime positions in investment banks, consulting firms, and corporate law firms? Absolutely not. There is a recruiting team made up of bankers, lawyers, etc. (ie the professionals who control the place)....and these people are disproportionately likely to have went to Ivies, top privates, and top LACs. </p>
<p>There is a reason the so called "prestigious" schools are in such demand.</p>
<p>Hmmmm...Actually the research shows no difference in earning potential after the first few years whether you attend an Ivy or state school---and as far as quality of life and happiness goes your college's prestige is unlikely to matter. The most quoted research on this board talks about those who were rejected from the IVYs doing just as well career/finance wise as those who attended. I realize "prestige" and name recognition is important to a percentage of the population that buy into all of that but if that is what drives you then I suppose prestige will matter to you. The "old boys network" of long ago is not what it used to be. Given the size of Penn State, where something like 1 in 34 college graduates in America is a PSU alumnus, you have to be open minded enough to believe that the networking opportunities may be just as relevant as being one of the many ivy grads trying to make contact with the alumnus CEO.
Its a little scary to think that so many 18 year olds are choosing their colleges based on money or career goals a decade from now. College is an experience and its important to consider it as an experience in and of itself witout so much emphasis on the prestige factor. Given the competetiveness of some of these so called top schools a highly qualified applicant who isn't a legacy, URM, or ED candidate may get rejected solely because another qualified candidate is from an under represented state. I just think this emphasis on the most competetve school as if they will make or break your life is putting a lot of teens in situations that are unfair and unhealthy. Maybe I'm the only one on these boards that feels this way but reading some of the posts from kids who were turned down and are down right depressed---I think we need a reality check about what really matters in life.</p>
<p>"I'd say that Duke, Johns Hopkins, Caltech, Northwestern, and Georgetown all sound presitigous."</p>
<p>LOL :) Everyone knows that MIT/Caltech/Stanford are more prestigious than any lower ivy.</p>
<p>This whole argument rests on false premise.</p>
<p>The whole thing assumes that people outside the bubble of CC care about colleges, but two or three years out - where you went simply doesn't matter. You'll get a little name-drop prestige power if you go to HYPSM, but other than that - it really doesn't matter. People hire based on work experience, personality, ect much moreso than they do based on undergrad degrees.</p>
<p>Also, if you go to grad school at all - it matters even less! If two people have a JD or MBA from the same school, nobody is going to differentiate based on the fact that one went to Harvard and one went to Noname State.</p>
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<p>Are you kidding? People hire based on a lot of things, but which school a person got into based on their HS EC's isn't one of them.</p>
<p>They just don't care which school clubs you were president of or how many bake sales you held :(</p>
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<p>Most people think Harvard, Princeton, Yale, MIT, and Stanford are the ivy league.</p>
<p>Harvard, MIT, Princeton, Stanford and Yale are in a league of their own.</p>
<p>After those 5, you have roughly 20 or so Colleges and Universities that are roughly equally prestigious. Note that I say "roughly". There are some differences, but overall, in the eyes of people that matter (recruiters and academe), they are pretty much equal. They include but are not limited to:</p>
<p>Amherst College
Bowdoin College
Brown University
California Institute of Technology
Carleton College
Columbia University
Cornell University
Dartmouth College
Duke University
Georgetown University
Johns Hopkins University
Northwestern University
Pomona College
Rice University
Swarthmore College
University of California-Berkeley
University of Chicago
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
University of Pennsylvania
University of Virginia
Williams College</p>
<p>Hhm, fortunately this is not our first confrontation Alexandre hehehe</p>
<p>Caltech is as prestigious as HYPSM (although it's not as well-known). Note that 'prestige' is highly correlated with selectivity and research performance and not <em>college experience</em>. None of the other schools has the same performance as Caltech in both except HYPSM.</p>
<p>"Caltech is as prestigious as HYPSM"</p>
<p>lolz...no way in the world is California-institute-of-technology as prestigious as any of the above :)<br>
Case in point</p>
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<li><p>60% of Caltech students are MIT rejects</p></li>
<li><p>70% of students admitted go elsewhere! They have a 30% yield which is terrible.</p></li>
<li><p>In california, Caltech is not even known as a great college....people order it :Stanford, Berkeley, UCLA, Caltech......most students would go to UCLA than Caltech if admitted.</p></li>
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<p>-Caltech publishes so few research papers that it barely counts as a college.</p>
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<li>NASA left Caltech to go to Cornell becase Caltech professors made too many mistakes.</li>
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<p>..dude, you know full well that Caltech is full of students rejected from their first choice schools.</p>
<p>Rtksyg, before you go on a Holy war against GoLubb, allow me to say that I agree with you partially. CalTech and Cal are the two schools in the list above that can hang with the big 5. However, CalTech's limited academic offerings and Cal's student body and limited resources keep those two schools from joining the Big 5.</p>
<p>What is prestige? and why do you care? Sounds more like a sexist-beauty contest as I'm guessing almost all of the posters interested in it are boys. Am I right?</p>
<p>Who's being sexist here...</p>
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<p>If by "most people" you mean you, then yes...</p>
<p>Meltingsnow... what on earth are you talking about?</p>
<p>dude you guys really need to get lives</p>
<p>Indian Institute of Technology Should recieve much more recognition in the asian world then the lower Ivies.</p>
<p>golub_u,</p>
<p>You're as expected giving all the gibberish here ...</p>
<p>" 60% of Caltech students are MIT rejects"</p>
<p>it's 40% but on the other hand 25-30% MIT students are Caltech rejects</p>
<p>"70% of students admitted go elsewhere! They have a 30% yield which is terrible."</p>
<p>These students are scared by the workload</p>
<p>"In california, Caltech is not even known as a great college....people order it :Stanford, Berkeley, UCLA, Caltech......most students would go to UCLA than Caltech if admitted."</p>
<p>Only lower tier students think like this, normally students of this kind can only get into community college.</p>
<p>"Caltech publishes so few research papers that it barely counts as a college."</p>
<p>In science/engrg Caltech is one of the most prolific research paper producer.</p>
<p>"- NASA left Caltech to go to Cornell becase Caltech professors made too many mistakes."</p>
<p>What the heck ?? you mean JPL now is regulated by Cornell, dude, are you good enough to graduate from high school?</p>
<p>Dude, your knowledge is terribly bad, get your facts right before posting. It's so exasperating to read your super dumb post.</p>
<p>And oh yes, every year there will be one or two Caltech drop outs get into Stanford or Harvard. Why don't you shut up when you know nothing about it.</p>