JHU AAP - Johns Hopkins Advanced Academic Programs

I am a former grad student of JHU’s AAP program in DC. I wanted share my experience in the program, because there is not enough information out there for prospective students, in my opinion. If I could offer one word of advice to prospective grad students in DC who are considering JHU, it would be to apply to other, perhaps lesser known, universities in the area (even if it means having to take the GRE or GMAT, which AAP doesn’t require) to get a broad perspective on what you need out of a graduate school and what other schools in the area can offer.

You need to seriously consider whether Hopkins is worth attending for its name alone because that’s all you’ll get with this program. My year-long ordeal at JHU was fraught with disappointment – namely a complete lack of academic support or student services. I felt so lost and unsupported during my time at JHU that I actually fell into something of an existential crisis for which I had to seek professional psychological help (the only time in my life I’ve had to do such a thing). During my time at JHU, I never once met my academic advisor. Professors were utterly unavailable in the times that I asked for additional guidance. There was no sense of student community or intellectual “buzz” within AAP. The (one) time that I reached out to career services, they actually refused to meet with me. I had to remind them that I pay thousands of dollars to JHU and that I have a right to what little time I was asking for. Even the financial aid office, which is on the main campus, managed to screw up my financial aid package – I am still trying to resolve the issue more than 6 months after withdrawing from the program. JHU’s response to my concerns or complaints was to remind me that I was a graduate student, not an undergraduate, and to have me take responsibility for my experience there. I mistakenly internalized this message, which led to a tremendous amount of personal damage, emotionally and academically. I withdrew from the institution after an incredibly difficult year and was sure I would never attend graduate school again. Today, I am happily enrolled at another graduate school in DC, one that offers support and nurture, and I can clearly see that my terrible experience at JHU was largely the fault of AAP’s failures as an institution. Looking back, I should have withdrawn after the first class when I first saw serious signs of trouble.

The reality is that JHU’s part-time grad programs simply don’t have the capacity to support students as human beings. They are merely a source of revenue for the university. If you’re someone who thinks that you can get through graduate school without any academic, professional, or emotional support then, by all means, ignore this message and plow full-steam ahead into AAP. If you think you might encounter even the slightest struggle during your graduate school experience (and the natural course of life dictates that you will) then I would encourage you to look to a university that sees you as a human being and that will support your academic, personal and emotional growth in every reasonable capacity.

That was my experience in the AAP program at JHU. I hope it will offer someone a bit of insight and direction in their grad school decision-making. Choosing a grad school should not be an easy decision – be wary of any institution (school, work, church, etc.) that has the ability to shape your life in a profound way. And try to make the best decision for YOU, even if it means steering clear of name brands and ignoring rankings/prestige.

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Hi,

I am currently an AAP student myself and you are SPOT on about the support services, most especially career services. At the core this is why I chose JHU, great brand and alumni/career opportunities. The career services site is derivative at best, “Optimal Resume.com” which is a monster/yahoo jobs type site semi-tailored to the AAP program. In other words, it is something that you could pull off any number of generic, needle in a haystack, online job opening aggregators. I mean there is literally no alumni/career service focus in the building. There was one woman and she seemingly left for greener pastures. I am one year into my program, though I have limited my loss to only two classes (I commute). If you don’t mind me asking what program were you in? What do you do? And what were you hoping to get out of Hopkins? I understand making the most of my situation but for three grand plus a class I feel there needs to be some directional output/career outreach put forth by the school. I am very happy I found this thread and I definitely want to hear from you (my hand is on the pause/eject button!).
-M

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I think you need to recognize that top-of-the-food-chain employers (e.g. top consultancies, tech companies, financial firms) will see through the Hopkins name, look at the specifics of the degree (non-competitive, non-thesis, self-funded) and be less than impressed. Lower tier employers, however, may accept the degree for the name alone and the superficial resume boosting it offers a prospective employee’s posting on their web site and with clients.

Is this worth $35k? Only you can answer that. Agree this is a big money maker for places like Hopkins.

I’m sorry to hear that the original poster had a bad experience at AAP. HelloKitty and Bala seem to be quite misinformed about the purpose of such programs and I wanted to point out to potential applicants why they are necessary and beneficial.

Let’s first start by saying that Ph.D program chairs ARE NOT going to consider a master’s degree from a school like Johns Hopkins AAP, Northwestern SPS, and Georgetown SCS to be on the same level as a traditional master’s degree with thesis from any state university.

In choosing a program you must first decide if you want to go the academic or professional route. There are many pros and cons to each but the general consensus is that graduates of professional programs typically make much more than their academic counterparts.

So where do professional programs come in? Adjunct faculties that have real world experience teach at these part time master’s listed above and they cater to the working adult only.

Let’s use a hypothetical student for an example.
Age: 32
Graduated from a state university with honors over a decade ago.
Has kids and is working full time at a large tech company

This student has to urge to go back to school in the Washington D.C, and Maryland area for graduate school part time. What options does he have?

It would not make sense for this student to quit his job just to go back to school. So, he is left with part-time and online options.

What schools offer this option? University of Maryland University College, University of Baltimore, George Washington University, University of Maryland- College Park, Georgetown, and Johns Hopkins to list a few.

If you are comparing online programs to online programs then Johns Hopkins is frankly one of the best in the area to study.

Sure some employers may look at part time programs differently this exists in all disciplines and schools. Full-time MBA students and Part-time MBA students have different admissions criteria and requirements. They cater to different students.

I disagree with Bala “top-of-the-food-chain employers will “see through” the Hopkins name. It’s a silly statement

Do a Linkedin search of some of the degrees offered by these part time programs. You will find many employed at MBB firms, Accenture, Deloitte, Booz Allen, Lockheed Martin.
All degrees are money makers for universities. For a school like Hopkins you can say that the priority is the medical school and everything else is an afterthought. This is not just the case with AAP.

So I urge potential students to look up schools and make sure they know what they are getting into. These programs don’t hand hold students. They are meant for the working professional NOT someone who needs full-time attention.

Heck, look on Linkedin and you are able to find over 25 people employed at Goldman Sachs with a University of Phoenix MBA.

While University of Phoenix has received much negative criticism it does serve a purpose. It provides a checkbox that an employee has a master’s and can increase their salary prospects.

It does not matter where you go. No one’s resume will speak for itself… You must work hard and try to stand out as much as possible.

To me that’s going to the best school you can given your circumstance. If you are only left with part-time/online options than JHU AAP is one of the best in the area.

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Hellokitty - this is a great post. I very nearly applied to JHU AAP a year ago. A career exigency meant I had to put my graduate school plans on hold for a year and, in that time, I was able to see more testimonials like yours in regard to AAP. I now find myself looking at graduate programs again and have found it exceedingly difficult to try to divine which schools are offering flexible learning options analogous (or near analogous) to the strength and reputation of their traditional programs and which are just being run as cash registers for the schools (I actually just posted a different thread regarding Cambridge’s ICE here - http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/graduate-school/1735115-cambridge-institute-of-continuing-education-international-relations.html#latest - as I’m having trouble wrapping my head around this one).

It seems like the common elements of many of these programs are no GRE requirement for admission (in the case of U.S. schools) and no thesis requirement for graduation, so looking for an absence of one or both of those has helped me a bit.

I’m sorry for your experience, particularly as it was very nearly my own. I’m glad you were able to land in a good program, though. Thanks for sharing for the benefit of those still looking into AAP.