<p>Okay, well, I don't mean simply easy, but relatively speaking with schools it is compared to (or I have often heard it compared to, rather). However, after looking at SAT scores, GPAs, etc. of JHU and other "top" colleges, such as Stanford, UCB, etc. (not necessarily all of these, but just random top colleges), I noticed that JHU has somewhat significantly LOWER "stats" in regards to its admits. It, also, has a rather high admissions rate....I have, however, heard of the incredible number of med school and law school acceptances from this very forum.</p>
<p>So, I was wondering, is JHU really "prestigious?" I've never thought of applying simply because I never had too much motivation to look up info on the school. Instead, I've just focused on Yale, Harvard, MIT, Caltech, and Stanford. However, I have always been told to consider JHU. (How's the social life there? Would there be...let's say...several good concerts or great near by cities around the area? I should probably look this up on their website, though.)</p>
<p>School #1
SAT I Verbal: 660-760
SAT I Math: 680-780
ACT: 30-34</p>
<p>School #2
SAT Reasoning Verbal: 660 - 760
SAT Reasoning Math: 680 - 780
ACT Composite: 28 - 33 </p>
<p>Can you guess which one is Hopkins and which one is Stanford? JHU is tough to get into, though I'm sure most agree not as tough to get into as the HYPMS schools. But JHU is a school one could get rejected from, but still make it into Harvard. I don't understand what exactly you are asking.</p>
<p>And as for the "high" acceptance rate, I'm guessing Hopkin's relatively small size and lower yield has more to do with the acceptance rate, than does applicant quality.</p>
<p>Just to comment on the admission rate...a lower admission rate does not necessarly mean that the university is more selective...because it can just mean the overall applicant pool became weaker. For example the year of 2006, admission rate for jhu dropped to 27% but I personally don;t think that it was harder to get into the school just because the admission rate dropped...it was probably (emphasize on probably) that the overall applicant pool dropped in quality. This is also why ucb, la, and etc have low admission rates because everyone applies to them if they apply to a uc...it just requires an extra check on the app.
edit: and no, it is not prestigious, it just happens that many of its departments are ranked in the top 10 and there just happens to be a hospital and med school near for undergrad access and it just happens that 49% of its undergrads go to grad school directly with a high percentage of those students pursuing mba, med, law, etc.
edit: regarding the gpa, there is a significant skew, the median and mean gpa differs greatly which I think is mostly attributed to jhu's more lenient admission of urm through a holistic approach...this is pure speculation...after looking at sites like collegedata, chances, etc,etc...multiple students with similar stats like 3.3 unweighted, and 1700 sat points were able to gain admission due to possible significant circumstances and urm status</p>
<p>edit: I suppose for the gpa, you are talking about the 3.6 mean, b/c i think the 3.85 median is pretty high O.o anyhow...the gpa could have been calculated on different scales for example an A- represents a 3.7 while a B+=3.3, B=3.0, B-=2.7, therefore it is possible that alot of students w/ a 3.85 gpa is actually a 3.6 calculated another way...for students w/ multiple A- and only one b, a student can easily have his gpa drop to 3.6 if calculated w/ the scale of A-=3.7, b=3.0, etc</p>
<p>GPA is near impossible to compare. But as far as SATs go JHU is on par with other schools. And despite the characteristically high ED admission rates, the overall admissions rate of 25%ish makes it a highly selective school, like others on its level.</p>
<p>JHU Easy Admissions-ed yes =D, promoting ed applicants for next year, if jhu is your first choice, apply ed there can only be benefits no harm O.o
JHU Easy Admissions-reg no...
^based on data from a specific high school for 5 years...sooo just speculation lol</p>
<p>darkhope wrote:
"Just to comment on the admission rate...a lower admission rate does not necessarly mean that the university is more selective...because it can just mean the overall applicant pool became weaker. For example the year of 2006, admission rate for jhu dropped to 27% but I personally don;t think that it was harder to get into the school just because the admission rate dropped...it was probably (emphasize on probably) that the overall applicant pool dropped in quality."</p>
<p>...OK, I just can't let this comment stand since it is just not right. In 2006, the applicant pool for Johns Hopkins rose 23% and the acceptance rate went from dropped by 8% to a final admit rate of 27%. Along with this increase in the applicant pool and decrease in the admit rate, every academic marker either remained the same or improved in terms of quality. Simply put, THIS MEANS WE WERE MORE SELECTIVE and ultimately it was harder to be admitted to Hopkins. The last five years the applicant pool has nearly doubled for Hopkins and the quality of the applicant pool and especially the admits has also improved exponentially. And all expectations are these same trends will be true in 2007.</p>
<p>"regarding the gpa, there is a significant skew, the median and mean gpa differs greatly which I think is mostly attributed to jhu's more lenient admission of urm through a holistic approach...this is pure speculation...after looking at sites like collegedata, chances, etc,etc...multiple students with similar stats like 3.3 unweighted, and 1700 sat points were able to gain admission due to possible significant circumstances and urm status"</p>
<p>...as far as this statement, you are making conclusions on self-reported stats that are on some random web sites and probably at best represent 5% of the actual applicant pool at colleges including Hopkins. Making conclusions based on college data from sites like College Confidential is just not going to provide any accurate information. JHU's admissions policies are not more lenient, but we take into account a lot more than just a student's GPA and test scores. </p>
<p>...and finally, when judging a school, if you are focusing on acceptance rates and "prestige" you most likely will be quite disappointed with the final outcomes of your college search.</p>
<p>=( so sorry for all that misinfo ...atleast the info about difference in recalc gpa is kind of correct lol O.o
regarding my statement regarding urm...i'm sorry i did not mention that these anomalies could have probably been due to life challenges and etc</p>
<p>Huh. I always took it to mean that JHU has a stronger applicant pool. I mean, everyone knows of HYPSM, and many people apply who (forgive me some seeming bigotry) quite frankly, shouldn't be applying. JHU is as well known around the intellectual circles, and many who apply to HYPSM apply to JHU, while the number of the aforementioned people applying is lower, so I'll wager that you see a greater acceptance rate because the applicant pool doesn't have the, um, "clutter" that HYPSM gets.</p>
<p>Seriously - we all know people in our schools who apply to HYPSM (and other Ivies) because it's what they've heard of (and possibly out of ignorance of the selectivity of those schools - not everyone can be bothered to search for statistics), even if they're not stellar students. On the other hand, everyone I know at my school who applied to JHU (and other schools of similar standing, such as UChicago) are the bright students who know more than "OMG IVIES, STANFORD, MIT!" - who have an inkling as to which colleges can afford them the best experience.</p>
<p>When Latting joined the admissions staff in the fall of 2001, he felt that the attraction of prospective minority students was not pursued to the fullest extent.
"Looking at what was going on at that time, it seemed like the recruiting of under-represented individuals had not been a priority for the office," he said.
"However, we sent [the recruitment of minority students] straight to the top of our agenda."</p>
<p>Where'd you get that number? Cause it's definitely not true at all. Hopkins undergrads make up the biggest group in Hopkins med, but there's no official advantage in applying to Hopkins med from Hopkins undergrad, and the admit rate is probably on par with Hopkins Med's general admit rate</p>
<p>Edit: I just saw darkhope's post with the 49% - I think that's referring to the overall percent of undergrads who go on to graduate/professional school. I'm not sure how accurate that is off the top of my head but it seems reasonable</p>
<p>^yup lol...polite if that was true, hopkins yield rate would be higher than harvard's lol...it's not practically possible for 50% of premeds to actually get into med school lol
edit: 49% number was from us news</p>
<p>ok...wow...cheer seniorities...best way to procrasinate is seriously through cc...anyhow...cheer for my 1000 post...do i get senior member status now? O.o
look at this thread to find links for data
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=276613&page=4%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=276613&page=4</a>
Year 2006
1) 301 total apps for med school
2) around 1160 students per class year
3) 301<em>90%=270 (caution:...this is under the assumption that all the students who applied have been approved by jhu's preadvising committee and also that no applicants are alumni...then it is also possible that the 90% goes down...b/c there have never been any clarification whether the 90% included alumni or not...if it does everything that follows afterwards is completely wrong)
1160</em>35%=406 (Approx. 30-35% of the class are premed)
270/406=.665
so under ideal situation in which all applicants have been approved by the committee and received approval from committee and that no applicants are alumni than the % should be close to that...however, the ideal situation is impossible, so the actual number is below that but no idea by how much. just want to remark though, since the committee actually tells you if you get approved or not...usually the students who applied know that they have been approved by the committee lol
edit: yAAA senior member...now i can go to school and brag i'm a senior member of cc...my new year resolution achieved =D</p>
<p>wow...i had no idea what i typed above anyhow. The below does not include alumni applicants
all data from us news only
1160<em>.49</em>.22=125
125/406=31%
=/ that was so much easier lol</p>
<p>As far as I know, Hopkins has a stronger app pool, because not everyone wants to live in Baltimore. Sorry (no, I'm not being racist, or Baltimore-ist, or discriminatory) but we ARE by a depressed area. However, it's about 15 minutes away by free shuttle to some great suburban areas or a vibrant downtown. And lots of people go to grad/med schools, so...
We also have lots of campus events with admissions officers from graduate or medical schools, and lots of career fairs. Hopkins is pretty great about such things.
According to Dean White, who used to head the med school admissions committee, the admit rate was about 1/3 for Hopkins applicants and 15% for applicants from other schools. He didn't mention admit rates for HYPSM. It's prestigious for anything in science or international relations... if you're looking at English or Theater, not so much. Writing Sems is pretty decent, though.</p>
<p>ED acceptance rate is not something we publish as it is not a set rate each year and has changed quite often over the last few years. A few years ago it was 55% and I believe this past year it was closer to 40% (can't remember for sure.) The ED acceptance rate is a very misleading statistic though, and does not really speak to the size of the applicant pool for ED, the quality of ED applicants, and the size of the enrolling class that comes through ED. </p>
<p>I remember reading that for those undergrads that use pre-health advising at Hopkins, something like 85% get accepted to medical school. I'm not completely sure, perhaps AdmissionsDaniel can correct me if I am wrong.</p>