<p>......majoring in American studies, or international studies. Accepted to both. Cornell has a leg up on name-recognition. Both schools are identically ranked in U.S. Today.</p>
<p>Actually, a lot of people don't even know Cornell is an Ivy League (considering it's not one of the best--the typical Harvard, Yale, Princeton). As for international studies, I know JHU is ranked top 10. Plus, Cornell is isolated. But yeah, I wouldn't decide on a school solely on name-recognition in the first place.</p>
<p>Between JHU and Cornell...both schools are equally prestigious. But it's stupid to choose a school based on prestige/rankings anyways. Ask yourself what you want. Both are very different schools. Cornell is in the middle of nowhere, Hopkins is in a big city. What size are you looking for in a school? Cornell is much larger than Hopkins...generally larger class sizes. You might get more individual attention at JHU. Also another thing to consider is that JHU has no core curriculum, which means more room to explore your intellectual curiosities. It's up to you...you can't go wrong with either one.</p>
<p>THe most recent poll according to the director of hte IR program, had Hopkins ranked #2 behind Princeton.</p>
<p>Cornell is a great school but a very confusing one. It is both private and public. It has several schools with extremely bright off the charts students and several schools with pretty average but smart students. Cornell's buildings reflect its unusual character. Some buildings are stately and grand. Others are brick boxes built during the 70s. Johns Hopkins is like eating at a fine restaurant. Cornell is like eating at a pot luck dinner. It all comes down to personal preference.</p>
<p>wow, thats a pretty wrong assessment of cornell. First of all, the last time I checked, Cornell is an Ivy League university, and the last time I checked, JHU is not. JHU is a fabulous school, but saiyng its more prestigious is rediculous. Big city argument = big minus for JHU. Do you want to live to see the next 4 years of life. At JHU, you take the chance of getting shot in one of the most dangerous cities in the country - Baltimore. I think Baltimore has one of the highest murder per capita ratings -- not something I would want to be around, but you may be different. JHU's prestige comes basically or solely from its Medical School. If you say you went to JHU for english or history, ppl will laugh at you and think that you weren't good enough to be pre-med there. Overall, the breadth of cornell's resources and classes and schools make it what it is, which is a world-class research university (which is a major plus, easy to transfer within the schools0. You are personally an ignorant person for saying that students in the state-funded portions of cornell are inferior to the private divisions. You ever hear of something called saving money, if you can get the same education with paying less money, why should you. I was accepted to Arts/Sciences out of state. However, your comment is just rediculous and you are probably a Cornell reject or another IVY reject. Have a nice day and grow up!</p>
<p>Just for the record, I was accepted at Cornell for ILR and JHU for Writing sems. I'm most likely going to JHU, depending on the Brown wait list. No one will laugh at you for doing any major at JHU. That's rediculous.</p>
<p>Johns Hopkins has top English and History programs and the undergraduate courses are very rigorous (same as Cornell). Both schools are considered tough. Nobody thinks JHU is only challenging for pre-meds. JHU has rigorous programs throughout Arts & Sciences and Engineering. Cornell is NOT more prestigious than Johns Hopkins just because it's Ivy League. Stanford and MIT are not Ivy League and are more prestigious than Cornell.<br>
Cornell University may be more "well known" than JHU because it's much larger, has over three times as many students and a lot more alumni. Cornell may also be more well known than than Dartmouth or Caltech but that doesn't make it a more prestigious college. When you say Cornell has a leg up on "name recognition" among the general population you MAY be right. But would you really care about the opinions of people who have never heard of Johns Hopkins? Those people probably never heard of Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore, U Chicago or Caltech either... Who are you trying to impress anyway? A bunch of 15 year olds? Your auto mechanic or janitor?
& FYI: a lot of adults assume Johns Hopkins (and Stanford, Duke, etc.) are "Ivy League" and can't even name all 8 official Ivies if asked. JHU has been a top university for over a century. The Ivy League was formed only a half century ago. JOHNS HOPKINS is considered very prestigious and always will be.</p>
<p>That was pretty classist...but beyond that. I agree. Though, I honestly do hear that liberal arts degrees at jhu tend to be less competitive and hence difficult than say...BME.</p>
<p>yer a lil dramatic Dog...</p>
<p>"live to see your next 4 years of life" ah ha!</p>
<p>Plus, let's not even say that cornell is more prestigious than Hopkins. both have similar acceptance rates, peer rankings, resources, etc. </p>
<p>"people will laugh at you if you said you went to JHU for history or english"-- oh really.. another dramatic statement.</p>
<p>Hopkins has a prestigious reputation because of Medicine, yes.. but also for, the Peabody Conservatory, the School of Advanced International Studies, the School of Public Health, Applied Physics Laboratory, ENGLISH DEPT,Writing Sems, International Relations, biosciences and BME..what am i missing?</p>
<p>whoa, BarryD, don't misunderstand me. You and I both know that in a typical job interview, saying that I have a degree from Cornell would raise more eyebrows than saying I have one from JHU. </p>
<p>In terms of acceptances, I go to a top prep school in New England. There were many cross-applications for Cornell and Hopkins. Most students were accepted to Hopkins, but waitlisted/rejected from Cornell.</p>
<p>After doing research on law school acceptances, top law schools accept many many more Cornell grads yearly than they do Hopkins grads. Granted, size of class plays a role, but not to such a large extent.</p>
<p>And yes, BarryD, you're exactly right, I'm going to college to impress "a bunch of 15 year olds".</p>
<p>I like how you can't even spell 'ridiculous'. So much for an Ivy-League education. And, we all know Cornell is an Ivy League. I was simply saying that the majority of people (probably not surfing CC) will not recognize Cornell as in the same category as Harvard and Yale-- who can blame them, it's just not as good. I hope you know that most of us wooting for JHU got accepted into Cornell (at least I did) and are choosing JHU after much thorough research. I'm sorry if it ****es you off that we don't go solely for name-recognition. And if you want to talk about ranking, JHU and Cornell are tied for 14th. Thanks.</p>
<p>Oh, and the only reason those schools are branched under the "holy" Ivy League title is because they played football together. We're sorry JHU focused too much on academics back then and didn't participate.</p>
<p>Actually, I haven't quite made my decision yet and I was accepted to Cornell, J Hopkins, NW, U of Chicago, Rice, and more, so please, don't tell me that I am some reject.</p>
<p>Actually, one of the main if not the only reason why I am staying from J Hopkins is its cut-throat competition, which is cut-throat and I do not care what you ppl say b/c it exists at JHU. Also, I do not want to fear for my life for the next 4 years b/c Baltimore is soooooooo dangerous.</p>
<p>Dog Has NO clue about anything related to Johns Hopkins. TO argue that JHU, which is consistantly in the Top 10 for both english and history, are majors for premeds is amazingly uneducated. Hopkins is not the only school in a crime ridden city (New Haven - Yale, Philly - UPenn, Harlem - Columbia) and is definately no worse than those. So that is another uneducated argument from someone who clearly has no idea about the world. </p>
<p>If you actually talk to the students at JHU most say that its really not cutthroat and that everyone tends to work together. Of course in the most demanding majors like BME its hard work to get a good grade bbut thats because at Hopkins you get the grade you earn, not some inflated bs that every can see through. </p>
<p>Furthermore, the Ivy League argument is increasingly worthless, particularly when most people who actually went to Ivy League schools and their equivelants look down on Cornell as riding the IL coattails. </p>
<p>Hopkins is the all time leading recipient of federal research and development monies. It was the first research university in the US and established BOTH and undergraduate and graduate institution around the same time. Both the term political science and the first psychological laboratory in America came out of Hopkins. Hopkins has a number of top 10 ranked programs not in the sciences from English to History to IR to Writing Sems to Language. Hopkins has a higher law school AND Medical school admit rate than Cornell BY FAR. Hopkins puts more students in graduate programs following graduation than almost any school. Despite being SIGNIFIGANTLY Smaller than Cornell, Hopkins is among the highest ranked in endowment and alumni giving which is clearly a testament to the quality of the education, as seen by those who actually attended the institution. </p>
<p>Aside from social sciences and humanities Hopkins IS the history of science, contributing hugely not just to medicine but is a leader in brain sciences, chemistry, physics, engineering, haptics, astronomy and more. BY FAR, JHU offers its students resources almost unparalleled in academia so enough with crap about the academic experience.</p>
<p>Of all the schools i spent time with faculty at, from Princeton to UPenn to Harvard to Columbia to Williams, I have NEVER seen more student-professor interaction on a REAL level (that is to say, discussing actual intellectual considerations, not just what is within the scope of homework) than i have at Hopkins. You can walk from one quad to another and see 5 pairs of professors and students talking about a plethera of academic fields. Hopkins also has among the highest rate (higher than Cornell for sure) of students involved in research and independent studies in the country, and not as research techs. The philosophy at JHU is that undergraduates arent just classroom students, they are student scholars taught by experience AND lecture, working side by side with world reknowned experts. That is the Hopkins advantage, not its disadvantage.</p>
<p>As for prestige, anyone in the know in any field will respect at Hopkins diploma, especially one with merits, at least as much as a Cornell diploma. Hopkins has an international presence at a level only outdone by Harvard. </p>
<p>Obviously JHU is doing something right, so before you start with facts that dont exist, maybe you should do your research.</p>
<p>dog87, ur an idiot. i have grown up in NYC and it is just as unsafe as any other city. upenn had two students who were murdered a few years back. columbia and NYU have had lots of problems with security as well. Uchicago has also had some trouble. u speak of the city as if it is something to avoid. but u must realize how many less internship opportunities u will find in ithica than u would in baltimore, NYC, or any other city. and yes, a large portion of hopkins reputation is derived from it's medical school and its hospital, the med school which is consistently ranked among the best in the country and the hospital which is the best in the country. the opportunities these resources offer to anyone in the hopkins community are limitless. i was in the Hopkins operating rooms as a rising senior in high school for an internship. do u think u can do that at cornell? some of their graduate schools are not even nearby. and as far as reputation goes, it is generally accepted that Hopkins, Harvard and Stanford are the three most internationally recognized American universities. this is largely for their humanistic work in foreign countries (ie medical). I have alot of family in Austria and if you ask them if they know of cornell they will stare at u blankly. In contrast, Hopkins has a huge worldwide precense for their commitment to medical advancement. Hopkins physicians fly to Africa to perform surgeries that could not otherwise be performed. This past year a German family with siamese twins left their home and came to Hopkins so our country's leading peadtric neurosurgeon could try to separate their children. u embody the pompous ivy league spirit but don't denounce another university with such a parochial point of view. cornell is a fantastic university and one of the best in our country and it has its own strengths and weaknesses, but it is completely incorrect to suggest that a degree at cornell carries more weight than a degree at Hopkins. hopkins and cornell are more similar than most people general believe. my guess is that u were accepted to both like many people are because you are ambitious and work hard. u should check the graduate acceptance records for the past few years and see the percentages of student accepted to highly ranked graduate programs.</p>
<p>"Furthermore, the Ivy League argument is increasingly worthless, particularly when most people who actually went to Ivy League schools and their equivelants look down on Cornell as riding the IL coattails."</p>
<p>If you do not mind, can you please explain your comment, b/c it doesn't make too much sense.</p>
<p>Dog87, as I recall, you're the same person from the Washington University board that started the huge thread complaining that you got waitlisted. If you're going to act so arrogantly and whine, complain, and bash other fine institutions in the process then you don't even deserve to go to college.</p>
<p>"Furthermore, the Ivy League argument is increasingly worthless, particularly when most people who actually went to Ivy League schools and their equivelants look down on Cornell as riding the IL coattails."</p>
<p>Cornell is a world-class university that can stand on its own with or without the Ivy League. The world rankings I have looked at, such as the one below, support this.</p>