<p>If that’s what partially produces some sort of purpose in your life, then that’s fine.</p>
<p>It’s just weird that you have to affirm your values and purpose in life in this manner and bash kids on internet forums.
I’m simply here to get advice and gain knowledge on the college experience, while you on the other hand, targets me and starts ranting.</p>
<p>I never bash good kids on internet forums. Why should I target you? What do I have to rant? I don’t have any issue with your initial post. But your later posts made your thread become trash.</p>
<p>You think you posts here will impress Ivy college interviewers? Or will help the US embassy provide or extend your visa?</p>
<p>Well, you are ranting and you seem quite upset and mad. That’s really immature and childish, considering you are an adult with kids. You’re hitting a lot of low blows.
You have proved in the entire thread why you are targeting me and what you have to rant.</p>
<p>And no, but that’s not what I’m here for.</p>
<p>You still don’t get it.
I can’t speak many languages like you but I think I speak common sense here.
And when I engage in any discussion, I consider everyone as a person with respect. It’s not only on students’ threads but also with students on parents’ threads.</p>
<p>You’ll be screwed, jobwise. Just about the only visa you’d be competitive for is the H1-B, and they are really hard to get and a hassle for the employer. Plus H1-Bs are not generally given to people just out of college.</p>
<p>not really. despite the current economic situation, 7/10 of my friends managed to get jobs straight out of college. and they weren’t from ivy league schools.</p>
<p>i think while its bad, the job situation there is greatly exaggerated. i’m not saying go to college expecting a job; i’m just saying not to rule it out altogether just because of a few comments from here.</p>
<p>edit: also, nothing to say what the job market will be like in '14/'15 - when most of the posters right now should be graduating…</p>
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I think most of the warnings concern the visa situation rather than the economy. The work visa situation was much worse a few years ago than it is now, but the warnings on CC have stayed the same.</p>
<p>During the dot-com bubble, the US temporarily raised the visa caps to three times their usual limit for six years and US companies got used to hiring more foreigners. When the caps were lowered to their usual number, the number of applicants exceeded the number of visas by a multiple. The situation has become much better recently, probably because of a combination of employers/foreigners getting discouraged by the visa caps and the economic recession reducing the demand on qualified foreign professionals. </p>
<p>It is yet to be seen how the visa situations plays out when the economy recovers to pre-recession conditions. Even if the demand on visas would increase again, it seems unlikely that the caps will be loosened in the near future.</p>
<p>While international students are probably able to find a job after graduation, they need to be aware that they will probably not qualify for immigration based on their job.</p>
<p>well i do know a few people who got their employer to apply for a green card for them, like 17 or 18 months after they started working. the whole thing took around 4-5 months to approve. i don’t even know what the entire process is like, but they didn’t even have a masters, just a bachelors degree. they might upgrade later on to a masters, fine, but at that point they didn’t have that. just a thought.</p>
<p>anw b@r!um’s usually right when it comes to this stuff. but i personally do know those people from above, so i can’t dismiss it as lies or hearsay.</p>
<p>I am not saying that you are wrong. I just wanted to put things into historical perspective, both to justify the current advice and to show how quickly employment prospects can change. You are right when you say that the current situation is not indicative of an international student’s employment prospects in a few years.</p>
<p>An employment-based immigration petition can be tricky. For example, the employer has to prove that there are no American workers qualified to do the job. This might be impossible in some cases, a huge hassle in others and at some times no big deal at all. </p>
<p>I personally think that no international student should come to college in the US with the expectation that they will be able to immigrate. Great if it works out that way, but they should be prepared to go back to their home country upon finishing their studies.</p>
<p>For what it’s worth, international students at my own college have had a very hard time finding jobs in the US in recent years. (Not visas but jobs.) I suspect it’s because of a lack of marketable skills. A liberal arts major combined with no impressive work experience and no work permit = a bad situation to be in. This may or may not be relevant to students in technical majors, but it’s been my experience.</p>
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<p>That would make sense. Technical majors are one of the best ways of getting a job as opposed to a liberal art degree. From experience, I agree with depr1, that its very possible to get a job+work visa and the difficulty is a bit exaggerated. It just depends on what you want to do- certain companies will not sponsor work visas for you, but there are several who will especially in the high tech field as well as oil and gas processing. For example, Major engineering companies and software companies are very willing to sponsor work visas and give jobs to international.</p>
<p>However, I agree 100%, if you come to the US, do come with the mindset to leave- most don’t, and they end up getting frustrated. There are opportunities everywhere you look IMO. There are so many countries where you could get jobs. One of my friends took the initiative and left the US after graduation to work at Bain Consulting in the Middle East. Instead of wasting his time trying to get a job in the ultracompetitive US atmosphere where school hierarchy would have made him unlikely to make the cut. He did not have to compete with the deluge of people with Ivy league degrees looking for a job. He is quite happy there and his US degree was the major breakpoint for him because he had average grades in an easy degree (Finance and Accounting).</p>
<p>Oh, yes. I will come with the mindset that I study in the US to get an advantage on the european competition. If I manage to break in, then that’s a great bonus. Otherwise I plan to go to England.
I don’t count on getting average grades or anything in college though, I’m ultra-competitive.</p>
<p>There are plenty of countries to choose from when you have EU-citizenship, you have visa and work permit in all EU countries I believe.</p>