<p>what’s the breakdown of in-state admission rate since that’s what Im discussing here? It’s a lot higher than 13%.</p>
<p>^ Again, show us your source please. </p>
<p>At Berkeley</p>
<p>In-State admit rate: 21.4% </p>
<p>Out-of-State admit rate: 24.1%</p>
<p>^Exactly. I’m asking you to show the breakdown. The only thing you can cite are the “overall acceptance rate” from Berkeley’s COE site. You know from the above, the COE acceptance rate for in-state applicants is higher. </p>
<p>JHU, Duke, NU, and Rice all had acceptance rates of 17% or lower last year (as a whole), with entering freshman having SATs higher than what Berkeley ADMITTED. </p>
<p>Thank about that for a second.</p>
<p><a href=“Student Profile - Office of Undergraduate Admissions”>http://admissions.berkeley.edu/studentprofile</a></p>
<p>All schools have engineering schools with higher SATs/ACTs as well (as they should)</p>
<p>See Duke here as an example: </p>
<p><a href=“http://admissions.duke.edu/images/uploads/process/DukeClass2017Profile.pdf”>http://admissions.duke.edu/images/uploads/process/DukeClass2017Profile.pdf</a></p>
<p>Show me where Berkeley’s coe even approaches those selectivity numbers.</p>
<p>See also here:</p>
<p><a href=“Fast Facts | Johns Hopkins University Admissions”>http://apply.jhu.edu/facts/</a></p>
<p>“Middle 50th percentile for admitted students in 2013*
SAT Composite: 2090-2290
ACT: 31-34”</p>
<p>Compared to Berkeley (in-state admits):</p>
<p><a href=“Student Profile - Office of Undergraduate Admissions”>http://admissions.berkeley.edu/studentprofile</a></p>
<p>Avg. SAT Admit 2044<br>
Avg. ACT Admit 30</p>
<p>The average in-state berkeley admit would solidly be in the bottom 25th percentile of all JHU admits. Show me engineering bucks this trend.</p>
<p>I would vote for Hopkins. Although many people loved Berkeley, that was not our experience. My stepson got into Berkeley and was rejected by Hopkins in engineering undergrad. He hated Berkeley despite doing very well there. He was not impressed with the peer group either. He had group projects where he did all the work and earned an A for all the others. We just visited Hopkins a week ago and did their college tour for another kid and I was blown away. Both are very solid reputable schools. If you want to stay in familiar territory/California, go to Berkeley. If you want to try an east coast experience, go to Hopkins.</p>
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<p>Sure, they may have been accepted to Berkeley. But unless you’re going into a specialized field that one of universities specializes in, does it really matters? I’m sure Harvard engineering majors got into Berkeley too. It doesn’t mean their program is as good or their degree is as respected (in the appropriate circles.)</p>
<p>^Beyphy, that’s not what I’m arguing here. What I’m arguing is RML’s over declaration of choosing berkeley due to its engineering program reputation (again largely derived from its graduate school). If berkeley’s undergraduate engineering reputation (not necessarily quality) was as high as he perceived it to be, berkeley engineering would have a 90% yield rate (save for the ones who pick MIT or Stanford over it), but that’s clearly not the case as the California engineering students at Duke, JHU, NU, Rice, etc. who pay more would attest to.</p>
<p>As a result, california students may rightfully choose the above privates for other reasons (be it smaller class sizes, newer experiences, greater uniformity in classmate qualifications, greater access to research and faculty mentoring due to the smaller ratios etc.). They also probably realized that going to the above schools for undergrad will not hold you back in engineering education as compared to a Berkeley grad - which frankly is correct based on my experience as a practicing engineer and as an adjunct professor. Having lectured at Berkeley, Stanford, and UCLA!, you come to find the undergrad engineering curriculum does not differ much at these research schools - graduate school is different due to more specialized courses and concentrations coupled with research. What matters more are the quality of your classmates and the professor’s teaching approach. If you have uniformly strong classmates, you will learn more - especially if they ask questions and drive lecture towards some of the higher level concepts. Obviously this happens at berkeley, but it happens at the above privates as well.</p>
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<p>Well, as someone who isn’t an engineer and doesn’t know much about engineering, I’ll take you at your word. I actually think this is an interesting discussion though and wish that I could find some detailed admissions stats.</p>
<p>I know that for UCLA’s specialty schools all have admit rates of <10% for transfer students, since UCLA provides detailed information on them. The School of Engineering and Applied Sciences in particular has a 7% admit rate, as opposed to L&S which is 31%.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.admissions.ucla.edu/prospect/Adm_tr/Tr_Prof13.htm”>http://www.admissions.ucla.edu/prospect/Adm_tr/Tr_Prof13.htm</a></p>
<p>Unfortunately, I can’t find any comparable stats for UCLA’s freshmen. (And if it’s out there, it’s not on the comparable page for freshman students. I would conjecture that since the transfer admit rate is so low, the freshman admit rate isn’t significantly higher though. (but since I lack data, it could easily be the case that it is actually significantly higher.)</p>
<p>I think both programs are hard. Neither schools are known as easy. My vote is UCB. Northern California has lot of oil companies and close to UCB. Potential employers nearby for internship and such.</p>
<p>Blah, your claim that Berkeley COE would be easier for Cali in-state is just a mere assumption. Unless we see the breakdown, only then can we say for sure. But I’m inclined to believe that Berkeley’s COE admissions are not dependent on the applicant’s residence. There is no pattern that you can see based on the current admits stats. applicants with superior stats are getting denied whilst there are applicants with below 2000 getting admitted. Berkeley’s admissions are holistic, and I’m inclined to believe that it is. <a href=“***Official Berkeley Class of 2018 Discussions/Decisions*** - #226 by qotsa24 - University of California - Berkeley - College Confidential Forums”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-california-berkeley/1628551-official-berkeley-class-of-2018-discussions-decisions-p16.html</a></p>
<p>Thanks for the help.
I ended up choosing UC Berkeley over the Hodson Scholarship at Johns Hopkins. </p>
<p>I don’t think that academically, you would go wrong with either one. ChE is tough at probably every engineering school. It’s a cliché but it’s the personal fit that’s important in the long run.</p>