Just A Few Questions

Colleges and Universities A-Z Seton Hall University
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uh ok now #1 is bad? not saying a lot? I disagree.

rich history:

History

•1855 New Jersey State Normal School
•1908 New Jersey State Normal School at Trenton
•1929 New Jersey State Teachers College and State Normal School at Trenton
•1937 New Jersey State Teachers College at Trenton
•1958 Trenton State College
•1996 The College of New Jersey

The College of New Jersey (TCNJ) is a highly selective institution that has earned national recognition for its commitment to excellence. TCNJ currently is ranked as one of the 75 “Most Competitive” schools in the nation by Barron’s Profiles of American Colleges, is rated the No. 1 public institution in the northern region of the country by U.S. News & World Report, and is considered a “best buy” in higher education by both Barron’s and Kiplinger’s Personal Finance. TCNJ was also awarded, in 2006, a Phi Beta Kappa chapter, an honor shared by less than 10 percent of colleges and universities nationally.

The College of New Jersey once again is the top public college in U.S. News and World Report’s list of Regional Universities (North).

TCNJ remains a Princeton Review “Best Value” for 2015

The College of New Jersey remains a top contender in the search for affordable education with its induction in the Princeton Review’s Colleges That Pay You Back: The 200 Best Value Colleges and What It Takes to Get In–2015 Edition.

TCNJ featured in 2016 Fiske Guide to Colleges

The College of New Jersey has again been selected as one of the best and most interesting schools in the 2016 updated edition of the bestselling college guide book, Fiske Guide to Colleges.

Money Magazine’s Best Colleges 2015-2016

Money Magazine’s college ranking considers quality, affordability and outcomes. Among 736 colleges and universities nationally, Money ranks TCNJ 71.

Money Magazine’s 25 Public Colleges Where Students Graduate the Fastest

TCNJ ranks #6 and is the only New Jersey school on the list.

Kiplinger’s ranks TCNJ #1 Best Value Public College in New Jersey

The College of New Jersey is ranked 31st nationally in Kiplinger’s Personal Finance magazine’s list of the best values in public higher education. TCNJ is regarded as an even better value for out-of-state students, ranking 21st nationally in that category.

BloombergBusiness ranks TCNJ #63 on top undergraduate business programs

Princeton Review names TCNJ one of America’s most environmentally-responsible colleges

The College of New Jersey is one of the most environmentally-responsible colleges in the United States and Canada, according to The Princeton Review.

Not saying much?

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@stones3 - Not saying much; umm…saying waaay too much, to make your point at least!

Yes, we all will probably agree that TCNJ is a fine public school even at inflated in-state prices. I visited it with my oldest son and we were impressed by several of the departments and that no class was larger than 45. That said, we did not see much then about business - which is what was the real point of the above comparison (and don’t get into food fights, please).

My youngest son is considering Seton Hall for business, and they are really pulling out the stops to highlight their program, from an admitted student reception on the Intrepid to a breakfast with the Dean (and I would guess that invite goes out to all potential business majors). Besides, a lot of success is what you can do with what you have to work with, and with a location just outside of New York City it cannot be much more convenient to the nation’s largest job market.

But if you want to go by the numbers, a chant of “we’re number 63” isn’t really that much to crow about, as the statistical difference between schools that far down the list is usually really low, and one should examine more the specific value-adds (programs, professors in certain areas) that would appeal to a specific student. Besides, Bloomberg is not even ranking undergrad schools any more:
http://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/2014/10/29/bw-suspends-undergrad-ranking/
http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/reports/business-schools/best-undergraduate-business-schools-2014
And in any case this article notes the wide disparity in ranks given to even among the highly ranked undergrad b-schools.
http://fortune.com/2014/07/10/best-undergraduate-business-programs/

If you must refer to stats, the current US news rankings that put TCNJ at or near the top of the list in a few significant areas, puts their business school tied for #299 - way lower than then Seton Hall (#131 fwiw) or the Rutgers campuses, which would seem to imply you do not want to go to TCNJ for business.

So, feel free to spam the thread with more long postings, but do try to bring in current, relevant data.

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so actual facts are now spam according to you? Good luck with your choice hopefully you will let your child decide.
No point in having a conversation that dismisses the facts as spam. Good day sir.

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also the Princeton location seems to work just fine for a certain other school so I don’t get your point at all about location . Face it , 45 minuntes from wall street is pretty good and that’s how far away TCNJ is. For example just the other day students were invited to Bloomberg facilities . I would be suspicious of any school that feels the need to wine and dine accepted students . Certainly, strong programs do not need to convince students to attend . Also, curious what matriculated students think of a school spending their tuition dollars on dog and pony shows. Just saying.

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sorry, I know many TCNJ grads recently and freshman who felt deceived… Have you actually eaten there yourself or tried let’s say Rutgers dining halls recently, college food is so much better at many campuses then it was in years past ? Have you spoken to accounting and brokerage and banking industry RECRUITERS who do the hiring direct from the colleges? (BY THE WAY, I live down the street from 2 major ones ) All these rankings are based on pure conjecture and honestly 5 year programs are actually falling in college rankings as so much weight is placed upon 4 year graduation rates which TCNJ does a great job at getting them out but not getting them placed nor great experience in worthwhile internships unless you count handing out free stuff at GA and county fairs for a huge portion of their marketing majors in unpaid interships in the summer as real work experience for post graduation? College rankings always need to look at how they calculated the rankings. I work in Brokerage industry and I can tell you, I don’t have a single TCNJ student in my department who is a VP or higher yet I have a number of Rutgers, many Penn State, Columbia, NYU, Dartmouth, Harvard, Yale, SUNY Binghamton, SUNY Albany, and 2 from SHU who are VP or higher… I can go on and it’s a premier brokerage house and our recruiting department does NOT go to TCNJ but does go to Rutgers. What matter most is did they get an education, did they get a job within a reasonable period of graduation, and was their salary on the higher end for the industry. Call TCNJ and ask for their job placement within 4/6 months of graduation within the industry the student studied. Don’t take BS answers like the subsection who were in xx program… and we don’t keep track of that…

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Seton Hall is rated by BusinessWeekly as being one of the top five schools in the nation for internship opportunities. 75% of our students complete at least one internship, and our Career Center has over 15,000 internship opportunities available for our undergraduates. Additionally, the Career Center is staffed by 12 dedicated career counselors who will work with you as early as your fall semester in Freshman year. Seton Hall’s employment rating is also 20% higher than the national average.

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Sorry but your posts remain mostly pure conjecture . ok, I understand you want to defend/promote SEton Hall.
But don’t do it at the expense of solid top school like TCNJ. Yes , I have eaten there as recently as last week.
Funny I met a director of Bank of America/Merrill trading desk just yesterday and he is a TCNJ grad . All anecdotes aside , here’s a recent MONEY MAG ranking (recent as In published today!)

According to a new report by Money magazine, TCNJ is one of 20 public colleges nationwide—and one of only two in the state—that are “most likely to pay off financially.”

Money scoured through PayScale.com’s just-released return-on-investment data to determine the public colleges and universities where students not only go on to earn high salaries, but get to those salaries faster by graduating on time.

According to the PayScale data, TCNJ’s 73 percent four-year graduation rate leads to a 20-year return-on-investment of $516,000.

Money used similar data in their annual Best Colleges rankings, which considers quality, affordability, and outcomes. Among 736 colleges and universities nationally, TCNJ ranks #71.

Last year, TCNJ ranked #6 on Money’s list of 25 public colleges where students graduate the fastest, and was the only New Jersey school on the list.

And it’s not just Money talking. In the fall, the U.S. Department of Education released its new College Scorecard, on which TCNJ was recognized as one of 15 public schools with high graduation rates leading to high incomes.

—Emily W. Dodd ’03

Seton Hall was ranked #307— that’s using both payscale and graduation rate.

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Money Magazine: TCNJ “most likely to pay off financially”

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TCNJ biz school today was ranked#35 in the entire country 2016 by businessweek/Bloomberg that’s up from #63 in 2014! Seton hall was ranked #65 and represents the next highest ranked in NJ

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That is great news!

I have one at SHU who did look at TCNJ and really liked it but chose SHU thought it would be a better fit. TCNJ is beautiful though and there was no wrong choice as far as I was concerned.

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@tomofboston I think NEU is an exceptional school and one thing we liked about SHU is they are very much about experiential learning and I see parallels between the schools with SHU being many years behind NEU. I don’t understand why you would need to come on here and throw the digs in though.

The food at SHU is lousy just to respond to an earlier post that said it was good. NEU has excellent food I am very close to that place I love that school. :slight_smile: