"you look at T14 law schools, they are dominated by Ivyplus schools. For instance, I just reviewed what schools were most represented at Y-H-S law schools. The schools with the greatest representation were in most instances the following: H-Y-S-P and Columbia–and it was a very large margin, to the next tier of schools. "
Because students from those undergrads are most likely to APPLY.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdXYaK4LMos
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyyoKajvsPA – It is all about pizzas and tildes!
It is also hard to argue that double negations are becoming a lost art. Fwiw, many on CC argue because they simply like to argue. At times, in a way that would make John Kerry look like a mild flip-flopper.
@pizzagirl Not really. It is more a function of test scores, and the fact remains, those schools have the highest concentration of LSAT scores that are 171+. So, you could flip this on it head and have the same number of students apply from say U of Alabama or UDallas-Texas and they simply would not meet academic inflection points in terms of both LSAT score and GPA.
I am also tired of the canard that “engineering firms just hire locally”. This is not particularly true for the “big name employers” such as Microsoft or IBM research, Google, Apple, Amazon, etc. And I know this from personal experience. If those are your goals, then a “name brand” is important (does NOT have to be “Ivy”, and one could easily argue that those other than Princeton are not the tops, but it should be a recognized name in the field)
Local engineering firms hire locally. Couple of firms in my town- they have contracts with our State for bridge/tunnel/ infrastructure projects. The state flagship U is fine.
Global powerhouses in engineering hire globally. Nobody who majors in Mechanical Engineering at MIT expects to be limited to the Boston/Brighton/Cambridge market.
Donna- it’s not a canard. It’s one poster’s experience.
These are the schools with highest average accepted LSAT scores–Harvard University (MA) 173 2 (tie)
Yale University (CT) 173 1
Columbia University (NY) 172 4 (tie)
Stanford University (CA) 172 2 (tie)
For each school, what is sort of interesting, is that respectively, they admit the most students from their own undergraduate school, and then, the next level most represented is all of the remaining aforementioned schools. Further, this is not just by coincidence or a product of just many applicant from a small group of schools. To have a 172 or higher, borders on only 1% of the total test takers…
@blossom you’re right. It’s a statement that I’ve heard too many times, but all from the same person.
Donna- the most successful lawyer in my community graduated from a no-name law school and has made a career out of suing big pharma/tobacco/asbestos.
That doesn’t mean that YOUR kid should go to the same no-name law school and expect to be earning comfortably in the 7 figures. In fact, YOUR kid might well be better off NOT going to law school if he/she can’t do better than the no-name.
Some posters are unable to grapple with the ambiguity.
Most med students I know focus on med school, not sitting around dismissing the top UG programs. And I find it hard to fathom they would then make it a primary point of discussion with a parent, who then treats it as a universal truth appying to not just one public, but to all grad and undergrad. Ok?
MiamiDAP does not have a clue about law schools. Let me just put that out there. Her knowledge of what works well for an undergraduate/medical school path is limited to a sample of one.
Back in the day I wormed my way into a top 3 law school from a Big 10 school. Yay, me. It’s all served me well. Might not work for everyone today.
You can also get an excellent education at DeVry University. If it fits you, and that is what you are looking for, more power to you!
@skyover while that is true of most every school, I think the more germane feature is what is most typical of students at the respective university. Personally, I would have trouble with a place, DeVry, where they have almost 50% attrition. O]f the 64,722 students who enrolled at DeVry in 2008-9, 52.2 percent, or 33,795 students, withdrew by mid-2010." In addition to the abysmal success rate of DeVry students, those who do manage to graduate from DeVry schools often find that their degrees are worthless.–gathered from a US DOE investigation.
Nor does MiamiDAP have a clue about graduate schools, though I have told her that many times. All of my son’s UG friends got into grad schools. Son had 100% acceptances. Good grad schools offer support, and the top students also get outside funding, thru NIH, e.g.
that being said, i am the first to counsel students wanting dental or medical school to remain instate for UG. It gives them a big boost. this is not the place to explain FL admissions to everyone.
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The OP seems to have tossed a grenade and ducked for cover. As this thread went off the rails very quickly, and there is nothing here that I have not read in similar threads here, I’m closing this.