Just how strong is ND academically?

Colleges & Universities A-Z University of Notre Dame
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<p>This is pathetic, honestly.</p>

<p>I’ve seen biased posters in this community who have asserted the positive aspects of their colleges without having to resort to petty insults and poorly crafted generalizations. This is the biggest case of an inferiority complex I have ever observed.</p>

<p>Notre Dame peer assessment suffers due to the fact that a vast majority of our nation’s top universities are bastions of White Anglo-Saxon Protestant elitism.</p>

<p>While Cornell is an excellent university, it remains a peer institution to ND in terms of national prestige and academic quality.</p>

<p>Cornell2011: you are not a “smart” person. You do not go to a “better” school than those who go to Notre Dame. And, your “rhetoric” is just that: empty talk.</p>

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<p>Thanks kwu. Also, I find it ironic that Cornell2011’s name is “Cornell2011,” signifying that he is so uncreative and prestige-craving that he cannot come up with a name of his own that does not attempt to showcase his status as an Ivy League student.</p>

<p>Also, according to the preference ranking, ND is actually a bit higher than Cornell, meaning ND actually WINS in cross-admits between the two schools:</p>

<p>1 Harvard
2 Yale
3 Stanford
4 Cal Tech
5 MIT
6 Princeton
7 Brown
8 Columbia
9 Amherst
10 Dartmouth
11 Wellesley
12 U Penn
13 U Notre Dame
14 Swarthmore
15 Cornell
16 Georgetown
17 Rice
18 Williams
19 Duke
20 U Virginia
21 Northwestern
22 Pomona
23 Berkeley
24 Georgia Tech
25 Middlebury</p>

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<p>Ha wow. (10 char)</p>

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<p>One thing that is excellent about ND is that all of the programs are strong. This sounds silly, but it is very important. Remember, I transferred to ND. Before I went to ND I went to a university which was very well-known for medicine, everyone was pre-med. When I switched to Psychology, I realized that I couldn’t stay there. The department simply wasn’t all that strong and everything was either health psych for the medical people or industrial-organizational psych for the business people (the other big program was business). At the end of the day, you couldn’t get a good psych education.</p>

<p>At ND all of the programs are very strong, and getting stronger! If you switch majors, you don’t have to think about switching schools, which is a great benefit. People don’t think about it but there are some very prestigious schools that get by with one or two good departments and the rest being mediocre or catering to those departments, like I had. </p>

<p>And for the record I put ND’s Philosophy and Theology up as elite programs, especially Philosophy. It may not be number one, but easily top 5.</p>

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<p>Your argument about cross-admits proves nothing - refer to my previous posts as to why. The quality of the institution is still in question. Additionally, the cross admit data was based on a sampling of a 1500 hs students who make college decisions for reasons unknown to us. It will never correlate to the quality of an institution. never. I guarantee you most of those kids are Catholic, Football Loving, Legacies…Unfortunately, Cornell’s reputation of being the toughest Ivy scares a lot of weak-minded grade whoring students…</p>

<p>Additionally, JustBumming, I’m glad that you can rationalize your decision to go to a mediocre school by saying “i’m happy” but at the end of the day, you DO go to a mediocre school and the difference isn’t just SLIGHT. </p>

<p>Someone above said that its is a known fact that Ivies give each other higher rating - this statement alone proves that this argument is not worth having because I’m talking to thick-headed-incompetent-people. Think about it, really quickly, how is it a freaking “KNOWN FACT.” I think this same person said that Cornell isn’t as great as people think it is…care to elaborate? I’ve given numerous reasons why Cornell is actually BETTER than people think it is. Stop making empty statements, and if you’re going to make such assertions, back them up. </p>

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<p>Additionally, we’re one of the world’s leading research universities, along with a truly global isntitution with campuses in the Middle East, while at teh same time preserving our ideology of inclusiveness and opportunity. We have one of the most diverse student bodies in the country which includes people from all walks of life and social circles. Can Notre Dame even come close to anything like this? Probably not. </p>

<p>Haha, Notre Dame philosophy, I’m not so sure on that one and yea, I guess they’re good at Theology, I’d expect that from them…but so is Vatican City, but you don’t see them being regarded as a superior higher education isntitution. </p>

<p>As far as the cheapshot about my handle - you’re absolutely right, my name isn’t creative, nor is it original. I might have even done it for prestige, who knows. But at least my name can garner me that prestige…</p>

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<p>Go back to Cornell–I hope you have found the justification by bashing ND to attend Cornell. Perhaps others will see what you have touted and because of the way you have presented, will indeed view ND for what it truly is. You are, after all, representing Cornell, and I for one, would not even consider Cornell as a viable choice for a college education, esp with your tone of remarks. Perhaps you can continue your education in confidence at Cornell with the satisfaction that you have bashed ND, but consider that once you leave Cornell, you will have the real world to deal with. Your attitude may not garner as much success as the Cornell diploma you may think will guarantee. Time to move on pal!</p>

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<p>Cornell…just stop</p>

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<p>Domers,</p>

<p>Arguing with Cornell is like telling a toddler he is immature. Do you think that will resolve his childish behavior? Absolutely not. In fact, you have just given him the attention he was whoring for in the first place and you have now encouraged him to continue with his tatrum. To rid yourselves of this particular toddler, you ought to just ignore it.</p>

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<p>I told myself I was going to quit this discussion, but, after having a good laugh at your post, I again felt the need to respond. Also, I have nothing to do in the lab right now, so…</p>

<p>Cross admit data DOES prove something. These people who are choosing Notre Dame over Cornell are not dumb people. They are people who managed to get admitted into two very selective universities (including Cornell! yes, Cornell!). Most of these people would not make such a decision without doing their research. I myself chose Notre Dame over Dartmouth and I know of another who chose Notre Dame over both Harvard and Dartmouth. Neither decision was made because of football or legacy status. Also, as for “grade-whoring,” Notre Dame is perhaps one of the least “grade-whoring” campuses around. We are known to have slight grade deflation (<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/331537-grade-inflation.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/331537-grade-inflation.html&lt;/a&gt;)
and people are very non-competitive. Yes, I realize Cornell has more grade deflation, but people don’t go to Notre Dame for easy A’s. People care more about learning the material and getting a good education (and helping their peers do so) than about getting a better grade than everyone else in a class. Again, this is anecdotal. But it’s something EVERYONE says. It’s not something that you can calculate, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t true.</p>

<p>Also, even if you go by peer ranking, Notre Dame is not a mediocre school. Even people like yourself who argue that Notre Dame isn’t as good as more highly ranked schools, shouldn’t be as highly ranked, etc, rarely refer to it as “mediocre.” Based on peer ranking, I think we’re something like 32nd in the entire country. I believe there are something like 4216 colleges in the united states (based on data from 2004-2005). That puts us in the top 0.8%. How mediocre. I better quit my job at the Mayo Clinic and start working on my Burger King applications now. I sure hope I can get someone to help me write my name on them.</p>

<p>Also, you keep bringing up the diversity of the Cornell student body. That’s great. Does Notre Dame come close? Not really. We have people from all over the world and from all different backgrounds, but we are still predominantly white, upper middle class, Catholics. But does that really impact quality of education? Nope. As a counterpoint, Notre Dame has one of the greatest commitments to the Catholic faith life and community service, intense school spirit, and an active football program. Again, these things are great. Do they impact the quality of education? Nope. For some, having a diverse student body may be more important, so they go to Cornell or another similar school. For us, having access to these other things is more important, so we go to Notre Dame.</p>

<p>Also, Notre Dame’s philosophy department is often ranked among the best in the country. If you want statistics to back that up, do a Google search. If us lowly Notre Dame undergrads can do it, you ought to be able to handle that. And yes, we are good at theology. Why belittle that? Religion is something that has affected humanity profoundly over the course of history. As a biochem major, I admit I often scoff at the humanities for their lack of practical results. But hey, a lot of people seem to think they’re sort of important… You argue for your hotel school as being one of the best in the world. Well, the Ritz-Carleton and Four Seasons hotel chains are also good at hotel management, but you don’t see them being regarded as superior higher educational institutions. </p>

<p>Lastly, we know Cornell is a fantastic research university and has a more distinguished research faculty than ND. If I were looking for an REU or a place for graduate school, I’d choose Cornell over Notre Dame. However, in terms of teaching quality and undergraduate education, Notre Dame’s faculty gets higher reviews than a lot of research powerhouses. (<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/521133-peer-assessment-usnwr-rankings-based-undergrad-grad-reputation-2.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/521133-peer-assessment-usnwr-rankings-based-undergrad-grad-reputation-2.html&lt;/a&gt;)</p>

<p>But now I really am done, because jasonpham is right…</p>

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<p>“Additionally, JustBumming, I’m glad that you can rationalize your decision to go to a mediocre school by saying “i’m happy” but at the end of the day, you DO go to a mediocre school and the difference isn’t just SLIGHT.”</p>

<p>Out of all the colleges in the nation, you think that a 6 difference in rankings makes more than a slight difference, at best? Funny joke. You think it makes the difference between a “superior” school and a “mediocre” school? Do you realize how close they are in the big scheme of things? Even if ND was mediocre, which it’s not, I’d rather go there than any school where they turn out pretentious idiots like you.</p>

<p>Ok, I’m gonna stop telling stories about you to the authority at the much, much more prestigious ivy league school than yours because though it gets good laughs from both of us at how ridiculous you are and how they try to enroll polar opposites of you, I feel bad because your life must be so, so sad to feel the need to do this. </p>

<p>Actually, there was just a conference in Chicago YESTERDAY about turning over these rankings because they are so ridiculous and irrelevant, and guess who are the biggest proponents? Those ranked in the top three on the list because they don’t want ridiculous people like you trying to prove yourself by throwing numbers around. You are a prime example of what they don’t want and actually, you were probably cited. Congratulations.</p>

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<p>JustBumming - I love your “much much more prestigious” argument, when you yourself make the claim that a few differences in rank doesn’t make a difference in school quality/rep. You need to think about what you say before you say, and you still haven’t said anything even remotely relevant. </p>

<p>All of you are just in denial. Have fun with your menial existence and I’ll have fun being successful. I’m done. For good.</p>

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<p>Thank you and can’t wait for you to hit the real world–attitude goes a lot way, with or without that diploma!</p>

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<p>im wondering when cornell got the reputation as being the “toughest ivy”</p>

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<p>JustBumming - I love your “much much more prestigious” argument, when you yourself make the claim that a few differences in rank doesn’t make a difference in school quality/rep. You need to think about what you say before you say, and you still haven’t said anything even remotely relevant.</p>

<p>You are the biggest idiot, wow. That’s exactly what I’m saying, the ranks don’t matter AT ALL, but since you believe they do so much, then it’s easy to throw that rank at you to belittle you since you obviously believe it. The only reason I play that card is because you’re playing it first, and if you’re going to be so ridiculous with being obsessed with how prestigious schools are, than I can play it right back with a higher rank, more than six, so obviously more than a slight difference, am I right? Your own words, correct? </p>

<p>Good try though. And I’m not trying to defend ND because obviously there’s no need to defend it, I’m just helping point out how foolish and humorous your arguments are.Thanks for the laughs!! Oh and uh… great rhetoric haha</p>

<p>Also, any reply to shellzie’s comments? Oh wait, no, you just can’t think of anything!</p>

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<p>I love how you morph what your intent was after I pointed out your performative contradiction. Don’t advocate two sides of the coin. Additionally, I didn’t feel the need to respond to Shelzie’s post, because he/she wasn’t making arguments worth responding to. I have multiple responses to each of the points made, but its not worth my time. I have better things to do. </p>

<p>Justbumming - the problem with your approach is that an official at a “much much much more prestigious” university isn’t more qualfied because they teach at the university, so rank doesn’t function there. The only thing it does is show that your mentality is rank-centric but you’re in denial about it because of the fact that Notre Dame doesn’t win the ranking game. Explain to me why else you would keep articulating the “credientials” of x person who supposedly is better than me and teachs at a “better” school than Cornell. Why? And additionally, why aren’t you going to said school of this person has so much influence there? Office secretaries don’t count, just so you know.</p>

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<p>Way to be “done for good”.</p>

<p>Try Dean of Admissions, and try I don’t want to go somewhere just for the name like most of the sensible people who turned down “more prestigious” schools for Notre Dame. </p>

<p>And I know it’s really hard for your simple mind to understand that I was mocking you by throwing the ranks back at you, but maybe someday you will understand. Give it a couple years.</p>

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<p>Try, you’re ■■■■■■■■. And I was done, until I saw something that needed to be responded to. This is no longer a Notre Dame conversation, just a conversation about how stupid and immature JustBumming is. Go back and reread the things you’ve written. The level they are written at is so low, that its ridiculous. And way to side-step everything I said with an ad-hom. Way to go. You’re well on your way to success.</p>

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<p>More laughs! Thanks :)</p>

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<p>I thought you were done for good. Not good for your word, then? Just leave it alone since, for all your self-appointed good rhetoric, you haven’t done anything worth any of your time or any of our time. I’d expect someone smart enough to attend Cornell, which ought to produce intelligent and thoughtful students, to have the maturity and insight to realize what is worth your while and what is a waste of it.</p>

<p>There are less trivial things with which to expend your time and effort than to prove your worth against fools. This goes for both sides of this argument.</p>