<p>First of all, please, I'm a girl. I noticed someone else said 'he' up there.</p>
<p>Cheating always gives an unfair advantage, because the person did not use their own intelligence or effort to achieve their means. It doesn't matter if they could have -- that's not the point. They didn't. And that simple fact makes it clear that they had an unfair advantage. Charisma, you can argue all you want about this point, but a smart kid who cheats still had an unfair advantage, regardless of whether they could have done it by themselves or not. You can't prove whether they could -- you can only estimate. And as long as that's true, you can't prove they ever could have done it on their own, which leads me to believe that they had an unfair advantage. There isn't proof saying that they could.</p>
<p>I didn't try to paint you poorly -- you did it yourself. You don't believe in equal opportunity. Cheating gives someone an unfair advantage and you think that's okay as long as they can do it on their own, but the simple fact is that you can't PROVE that someone can do it on their own without cheating. And because you can't, cheating still provides an unfair advantage. Unfair advantages inherently mean unequal opportunity. </p>
<p>Stop telling me I'm whining. If you can't debate right, then don't. If you can't use logic, then stop talking. If you can't argue, whether it's in person, the internet, whatever -- then stop. It's a waste of my time if all I hear is 'stop whining' and talk about how pointing out logical fallacies is a waste of time. That's only because the logical fallacies in your argument point out their weaknesses. And you ARE being negative because you attacked spideygirl and me several times, by telling me that I was whining and that spideygirl needed to grow up. YOU are the one that is being insulting.</p>
<p>I didn't intend to insult you in any of my comments, and if I did, I apologize.</p>
<p>You need to stop pulling the wool over your own eyes. You don't believe in equality of opportunity. You wouldn't support cheating, regardless of whether someone could achieve the same means on their own or not, if you did.</p>
<p>"And quite frankly, I'd be more ****ed if someone extremely dumb, but worked their ass off got in over a genius cheater, but this remark will probably gain even more people hating me."</p>
<p>Yeah, it will, because it makes no sense and you have made no attempt in explaining it. Why shouldn't the dumb kid who worked very hard get in over the intelligent kid who's lazy? Quite frankly, in real life, the former will get stuff done while the latter won't, possibly because of laziness. People who are not doing anything with their gifts are not useful -- the intelligent kid is not doing himself a favor by doing something worthwhile. Intelligence is not the only important thing. There are many other factors, including curiosity, passion and drive that can be equally important. </p>
<p>"I find it logical. If that person could do produce the same results without cheating, how does it affect me if they did it with cheating?"</p>
<p>You can't prove that they can do it on their own, while we can inherently believe that they couldn't because they had to cheat in the first place. You have no evidence that people can do it on their own because they are CHEATING, they aren't doing it on their own. I don't care if the person retakes the test and does well on it, the simple fact is that it doesn't apply to everyone, and even if it does apply to some people, it shows a lack of common sense on their part since cheating gives them an unfair advantage, which is inherently unequal opportunity.</p>
<p>You won't earn haters by saying troll-like comments. You'll earn haters for not substantiating what you say, which is exactly what you are doing. I don't care if you're ranked first, second, last or in the middle -- you would care more if you were at the top, where things actually mattered. And maybe that's why it's okay to you; you don't think you're getting into your first choice, so why bother caring about those who cheat? It doesn't affect you. To people ranked way up there, it DOES matter and it CAN make a difference. It's not the only thing, but it is a factor. Just because it doesn't matter you doesn't mean it doesn't matter to other people (and I know you didn't say anywhere that it didn't matter to other people, but I just felt like saying that).</p>
<p>You would care more if it actually affected you. And because it doesn't, you think it's okay if someone cheats since they could've done it on their own (you don't have any proof, while we have the proof that the person inherently couldn't do it without cheating since they had to cheat in the first place). And quite frankly, I think you simply aren't understanding simple logic, universal human values or foundations, the Constitution, history, etc. I've provided examples from everywhere and yet nothing rings a bell simply because you don't care. I'm done (well, actually, I'm not -- I'll continue arguing as long as you keep providing bad arguments, but that's only because I don't like leaving with the other person believing that their argument is more valid than mine.)</p>