<p>^^^^Yeah, I can’t get too worked up about it. Now, lying on an app or cheating, which could deny a deserving student a spot, yes, but lying about where one was accepted? Meh. It probably wouldn’t occur to me to even wonder if they were being truthful or not.</p>
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<p>Yep, your son would have fitted in very well with the rest of the HS group I was in. </p>
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<p>Just be sure to prepare your DD for the possible expressions of outrage and anger from classmates when they find out where she graduated from at the first few reunions. </p>
<p>I tried taking my friends’ shtick to extremes by telling everyone I received rejections from every community college. Of course, no one believed me…especially considering the ccollege policies and the high school we attended. </p>
<p>How was I to know I was actually 15+ years ahead of my time when this past fall…the NYC area community colleges actually DID turn away many prospective students because they couldn’t meet the demand of prospective students?</p>
<p>Bay- I don’t see that as deception at all. In articles about an athlete’s verbal commitment, athletes are often prompted to name what other schools they were considering. Since these verbal commitments often happen in an athlete’s junior year, they mention schools that they were recruited by and were interested in. Sort of a bad situation for the athlete, since they do not mean to lie or be boastful, but wouldn’t really know their real chances at playing at /getting accepted to those other schools. </p>
<p>Some people I know say they got in to ____ school with, for example, a $12,000 scholarship, multiplying their $3,000 a year award by four years. Not sure if this is normal or not, or even done on purpose, but it gets quite annoying when everyone gets confused about how a certain student gets so much money.</p>
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<p>That is just fine, I was not objecting to listing other schools an athlete was “considering.”<br>
This thread is about lying about where one was “admitted.” Athletes are not admitted to any of those other schools they are considering. That is what I’m talking about.</p>
<p>Here is a real life example (personal friend): The newspaper reported that “Susie” signed with Duke, which she <em>chose over</em> Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, UCLA and others. Susie did indeed talk to all of the coaches of those schools, and even went on official visits to some of them. But she was never admitted to any of them, because she signed with Duke.</p>
<p>Maybe I’m overly sensitive to how these experiences are represented, but I think representing it as an admission can be construed as a bit condescending to all of those students who actually did get admitted to Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, UCLA and the others. Susie did not get into any of those schools!</p>
<p>Bay–she was still recruited by those schools, admission or not. She is not lying. She may have been admitted to Duke and decided not to apply because Duke was her #1 choice. We had a student at our school get Likely Letters from 3 different Ivy’s-yes, he did, saw them. He verbally committed to one school and in the end went to another because they came through with better money for him. He actually ended up not playing the sport for which he was recruited and is playing another sport. He was accepted at all of these schools. I have seen the letters (certificates from some even).</p>
<p>When she chose Duke over Harvard, she still chose Duke over Harvard regardless if she was admitted to Harvard or not. Honestly though, if she got accepted at Duke on a scholarship it is very possible she did get a likely letter from several Ivy league schools if she expressed interest in playing there.</p>
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<p>Well if you think that is okay, then okay. When Joe Blow signs to play basketball at Podunk U., I guess he can rightfully announce that he chose it over Harvard then, right?</p>
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<p>No, she did not. She visited them and decided she did not want to go there, so she did not pursue the recruitment.</p>
<p>If she was on an official visit to Harvard or wherever, than yes, she chose Duke over Harvard. If she drove by campus on the way to go out to eat, then no, she probably can’t say she chose Duke over Harvard. My DD has been on some unofficial campus tours and has ruled out a couple schools as a result. She was still considering playing for them and has chosen other schools over those. When asked what other schools she has considered, she named the ones she ruled out because she was considering them, until she visited.</p>
<p>An official visit is one paid for by the athletic department. Our DD isn’t eligible for those yet which is why they were unofficial visits, which we paid for (transportation costs, etc.).</p>
<p>Athletes who go on official visits often do not get admitted to those universities. An official visit does not equal an admission.</p>
<p>Athletes can only go on 5 official visits. They better be interested in the ones they chose because you don’t get any more than that. Did your child apply and get accepted to every college he or she looked at?</p>
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I think you have to be careful about judgments like this. You just never, ever know what else might be in the background. Two examples: in my community, a young woman who is a fine but not spectacular student, someone who doesn’t cross the radar of most people, got one of those lottery ticket acceptances and there was a lot of snarky talk. Since the girl lives with her mom and stepdad (I grew up with the mom) most people don’t know that the girl is the daughter of one of the major, major, known-to-everyone rock stars in the world. Which is quite a hook, you know?</p>
<p>Second, my son who is only 13 got a scholarship to a very prestigious high school. He never lives up to his potential and doesn’t show up on the honor rolls every semester, but his classmates (and certainly their parents) don’t know that he is a serious jazz clarinet player and the director of music of that school is, you guessed it, a jazz clarinet player. There was a little sniping until I sent a copy of the letter to the middle school music director to thank him for his help with audition prep.</p>
<p>So, yes, people lie, but don’t assume that you ever know everything about any kid but your own.</p>
<p>I don’t understand your point, mn. You think it is okay for an athlete to represent that she had the <em>choice</em> to attend a university where she was never admitted. I think this is impossible, and therefore not true.</p>
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While understand your point about official visits I do not understand your point overall. So would Tom Tebow be dishonest if he said he choose Florida over Alabama and LSU if signing day all 3 school’s head coaches were standing on his doorstep with LOI for him to sign (and with absolutley no chance admissions would gun him down)? Similarly what about an Ivy league athlete offered likely letters (cleared by admissions) by multiple schools … is s/he lying? Some students overstate their choices but a lot of athletes have been given multiple solid offers (without a formal admissions acceptance … but whose acceptance is a basically a gimme).</p>
<p>Collegemom I will have to disagree re the likely letters. I don’t believe you can get one if you haven’t applied, for starters. Coaches can’t just hand them out. </p>
<p>Secondly, they are pretty tactical: even most recruited athletes don’t get them, unless the school fears the lack of such a letter means the candidate is lost. By the October
Admissions conference at Harvard 3 years ago, there were only perhaps 50 such letters on the whole USA, according to admissions director Bill Fitzsimmons.</p>
<p>Our area gets ~100 Harvard apps and 4-8 acceptances a year, and I’d say every other year on average I get wind of someone falsely claiming admittance</p>
<p>Considering and gaining admittance are two different things, yes, but when you are talking about athletic recruits they are essentially the same thing. If an athlete accepts an official visit invite to your program, that invite most likely came with a good certainty that your school WILL accept that student. Even at the Ivy level, coaches do have some pull with less than perfect admits.</p>
<p>Tebow would be lying if he didn’t have an “offer” from those other schools. They aren’t perfect by any means but recruiting websites such as Scout and Rivals do a pretty good job of tracking D1 High School football talent and the scholarship offers they have received. Speaking of which:</p>
<p>[Scout.com:</a> Tim Tebow Profile](<a href=“Swamp247 - Florida Gators Football & Recruiting”>Swamp247 - Florida Gators Football & Recruiting)</p>
<p>Yep, Tebow had offers from LSU and Alabama.</p>
<p>Sorry to interrupt, but if I may offer the perspective of a former journalist, the student may not be at fault in any perceived misrepresentation in the newspaper article. If Susie told the reporter, “I was recruited by the athletic departments at colleges X, Y and Z, but chose to attend college A and the coach requested I apply Early Decision, so I never applied at the other colleges,” the newspaper writer, who has a word count limit, may simply report “Susie chose A over X, Y and Z,” assuming (probably correctly) that Susie’s actual admission status at X, Y and Z is of less interest to the readers than other tidbits of Susie’s story, such as her points scored per game in high school (if it’s in the Sports section), or the sacrifices her parents made for her years of training (if it’s in the Lifestyles section), etc. Obviously, the reporter does not read CC.</p>
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<p>This thread is about “top” colleges, which are a different animal when it comes to admissions, including athletic admissions.</p>
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<p>While I am sure there are a few recipients of “multiple” Ivy LLs, this is very unusual. A coach will expect a verbal commitment from the recruit before he will waste a LL on him. I suspect that recruits who receive multiples are either untruthful to the coaches, or selfish, or both. Tippy, tippy top athletes may get them, but they will probably end up at Stanford or Duke for money instead. And yes, it would be a lie for them to say they were admitted to any Ivies with just a LL if they were not ultimately admitted in the Spring.</p>
<p>^ fair enough … so what if Ivy coach #1 says they will get a LL if a recruit commits and Ivy coach #2 also says they will get a LL if the recruit commits … would this recruit being lying if they say they were recruited by both #1 and #2?</p>
<p>alynor,
Your point is well taken. We ought to get more journalists on CC. :)</p>