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<p>No, not at all. It is the truth. But he was not *admitted<a href=“yet,%20if%20ever”>/i</a> to either of them.</p>
<p>Tragically, Bay, we are an endangered species.</p>
<p>One of my son’s brilliant classmates (perfect score on the SAT) told a reporter he was going to (local state uni) to major in IT. Said with a straight face, it was believed and appeared in print. </p>
<p>I told the kid (he’s a nice kid) that in cases like this, reporters believe what they’re told!</p>
<p>Athletes are just a different story with all of this. For Division 1 sports (except football), most sign in the November early signing period and apply EA/ED. They aren’t going to tell the reporters that they weren’t considering anywhere else just because they weren’t accepted to any other schools, or even applied. But, since athletes start the college search much earlier than non-athletes, they definitely considered many other schools, despite not obtaining acceptance. Coaches don’t recruit players that they don’t believe they can get in.</p>
<p>Anyways though, I’m interested in whether students lying about acceptances actually happens often. Most people know how smart their classmates are (relative class rank and scores are pretty much known by all), and getting into a college isn’t really a huge marker of their achievements/intelligence to those classmates. I guess it would matter more to outsiders.</p>
<p>D1’s GC knew where she got accepted and denied (before we even knew). D2 only applied ED, and I am pretty certain her GC was also notified.</p>
<p>what about lying on college confidential. I know kids who lied about acceptance and were then shown up. For every case that we know off, I am sure that there are many cases where a student lies on CC just to make other kids feel bad. I got in with 2150 SAT score while you did not…</p>
<p>I would not call it lying. They are just statements that cannot be verified.
Some CC parents did that too. Smile to yourself.</p>
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<p>This is the kind of statement and belief that fuels this entire debate. Being admitted at a school is a very precise and well-defined term. Looking at and visiting a school (even if invited) does not count … as many find out every year. </p>
<p>If all the stories of full scholarships and students rejecting the “recruiting” were true, the Ivy League would be ten times larger than it is. Same thing for students rejecting Harvard (insert the name the fancy schmancy school) for the local stellar public school. In our neck of the woods, we give those stories a term and the words rhyme with pull and fit! We also learn quickly that it is best to nod, smile, and add “Congratulations” or “Bless your heart.” Easier on everyone! </p>
<p>The reality is that it DOES happen, but VERY rarely and when it does happen, it is usually VERY well known in the community. And not fodder for hush-hush talk at the Pilates’ class or … posting on an anonymous board. Even for obscure sports, the names of the top recruits are well-known. Kids who excel in their sports are usually known for years. And, yes, some of those kids have “guaranteed” acceptances in the pocket well before the contacts are permitted. </p>
<p>And, fwiw, mncollegemom, I really hope it all works out accordingly to your plans. Unfortunately, I am afraid that many of us have reason to think that fantastic stories usually are … well fantastic. I am also afraid that there are more bad stories of athletic recruiting than really positive ones. In a way, that is why “saving face” stories and fibs are so prevalent.</p>
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<p>Yeah you are. I highly highly doubt those accepted really care one way or another. I would like to think they have better things to worry about. And geez, just be thankful already. It makes the astounding success of your offspring no less so when an occasionally insecure student or parent pretends to have been accepted. I’d have thought your reaction would be one of pity, not frustration.</p>
<p>Don’t the Ivies have some honor system about deciding on one team if multiple teams made overtures for a single candidate? I how of one athlete who had vebal offers from three Ivy coaches until the player decided to go with one school and settled for a likely from them.</p>
<p>Wow. I am feeling pretty good about myself now that I chose to attend Yale over Julliard and all three service academies. Even better that I didn’t even have to waste my time applying. :)</p>
<p>I’m not aware that our school has any sort of board to post acceptances but I think it is a good idea at such schools to have the GCs confirm the postings. I wouldn’t presume to judge a kid a liar who seemed to fall short of the traits required but still claimed admission and yet I hear about this for my own school every few years since the interviewers often know the names and number of admits at their local school(s).</p>
<p>The recruiting process can be very painful for some athletes who don’t fully understand that being recruited, getting a “commitment” from the coach, and actually getting admitted are three different things.</p>
<p>Here is an interesting cautionary tale, told by a parent about his son’s experiences in January. Fortunately, in his case, the crisis was followed by a happy ending.</p>
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<p>I was telling my son about this thread last night, and he thought it was amusing. Apparently this is also going on at his school. He says he can’t figure out why kids lie about it because everyone knows they are lying. For instance, he has one friend who has been claiming since SEPTEMBER he was accepted to an HYP. S says the kids who are known or suspecting of lying about acceptances are the ones who tend to exaggerate or brag anyway. Sometimes parents fall for it as well. At a party last month, I listened to another mom tell of her friend’s daughter who had already been accepted to both Stanford and Harvard. Being an educated CC reader, I knew this was impossible (at least legally) since both schools are single choice EA, but I said nothing and poured myself another glass of wine.</p>
<p>Back in late October, we attended a school performance at which all the seniors were introduced by name and plans for the future. We listened as the director read off each name, followed by “she plans to attend either X College next year and major in D.” My husband and I held our breaths to discover our own son’s plan for the future, since at that point, he had no idea where he was even applying. Perhaps he had told the director what he could not reveal to us! But, when his name was called, we were informed that he was “undecided” about both the where and the what. Of the 20-30 students assembled, he was the only undecided one. Later at home, I asked him how it was these other kids already knew where they would be going, and he said, “Mom, if I’d known everyone would be making stuff up for that, I would’ve, too!”</p>
<p>funny to read this. I have a friend who is a hairdresser. She told me that a mutual acquaintance was getting her hair done, and the woman mentioned that her son had just been accepted into Cornell. Except that I knew for the fact that decisions on ED had not been issued, and would not be issued for a week. I said thats funny because decisions have not been issued yet and won’t be until 5:00 next friday. Why woudl you do that?</p>
<p>xiggi–a good fit goes both ways. She may have been invited to Harvard and once on campus THEY decided it wasn’t a good fit. It happens. Academics may not have been the reason. An athlete is STILL recruited by schools before they apply since “official” recruiting starts at the end of your junior year season. For kids in fall sports, they are already being recruited by coaches and considering schools, doing official visits, etc. but they certainly can’t apply yet, can they.</p>
<p>NLI signing day yesterday–three separate articles from a local newspaper talking about signees. EVERY single one of them mentioned other schools the kids were considering and who recruited them. I know that for two of the kids for sure they did not end up applying to those schools as they had already been accepted by their #1 picks-rolling admissions. That doesn’t mean that the coaches from those other schools were not out watching them at state tournaments or visiting them at home because I know they were…and talked to a couple of the coaches at one state tournament since they are friends of my DH’s. They were still recruited and considered those schools.</p>
<p>As for our DD, I have every confidence that things will work out for her just the way she wants them too. That is the advantage of individual sports, they are not subjective in the way a team sport is. Your time is your time, etc. She has a good head on her shoulders and knows that in the end it will come down to the school that gives her the best package. That might mean playing at the DIII level because their merit aid surpassed any athletic aid she was offered at other schools. She is also looking at less competitive programs because she doesn’t want her sport to rule her life in college. She has been fortunate to find several programs that meet her expectations already.</p>
<p>Despite the incident I relayed above, very few students at our local high school lie about where they have been accepted. The prevailing ethic is to not talk about college period until May or June when the seniors have decided where they will be going in the fall. Students who are too vocal about the schools they’ve received admission to run the real risk of being shunned by their fellow students. </p>
<p>The one exception appears to be the athletes – or more accurately the parents of athletes. Every year the community grapevine buzzes with stories of the kids who received “full athletic scholarships” at Skidmore, Hartwick, Oneonta, St. Lawrence, Cortland, Springfield, RIT, etc. For those who might have missed it, these are all Division III schools that do not offer athletic scholarships.</p>
<p>hudsonvalley51–it’s hard not to know about the athletic signings when they have NLI signing days, ceremonies, articles in the paper, etc. I don’t know half the kids that signed from our high school but I know where they are going to school and for which sport. At the end of the school year they have a large ceremony at the school for all of the academic awards (scholarships) students have earned as well. </p>
<p>I too laugh about the DIII “athletic” scholarships, but it is pretty common knowledge that if a coach wants you at the DIII level, they seem to find a lot of academic money to get you…</p>
<p>I have no real experience with kids or parents lying about admissions except for one particular mom who lies about everything. Nothing she says is believed.</p>
<p>I am a bit amused and surprised at the number of people who told everyone about the amazing “package” that their child received from the college of their choice. These people would lead us to believe that their child was attending a very expensive private school for the same amount of money that they would have spent on the state university. My husband and I had a lot of jaw dropping moments during the acceptance phase of our kid’s senior year. Wondering how we missed out on the big scholarships, etc that the other kids got. It wasn’t until months or years later that we found out that these “packages” were, for the most part loans. Loans that need to be paid back. </p>
<p>On another note, I have a hard time with kids or parents who jest about going to the local community college or online school. There are many kids for whom this is a valid and sensible choice. By mocking it, we are really no better than those that people who lie for attention.
I was in a situation recently with a group of people when the cost of college came up. One of the young people in the group attends a CC and said something about the affordability of her school. An adult in the group loudly announced that we were talking about “real” colleges. The cc student got up from the table and excused herself to the bathroom.</p>
<p>Making any college or alternative to college into a joke comes at the expense of the many kids who will pursue their goals through that venue.</p>
<p>^^ good point I have used “live at home and go to CC” as a threat with D when she was stalling on meeting app deadlines. I was emphasizing the “live at home” part with the idea that if D wants to be so independent and spread her wings she needs a solid acceptance and FA package . . . so “get with the program and you can be independent!” I wasn’t thinking about the dissing CC attendees angle. Thanks for the reminder.</p>
<p>EPTR: yes, I concur. Had not thought about the actual thoughtlessness of that joke. Thanks for the caution.</p>