<p>“engineering typically requires you be able to actually do stuff”</p>
<p>I worked for a metallurgical company that did failure analysis. You know what happens when cheaters leave school? They become engineers, welders, manufacturers. They cheat their clients and bosses and coworkers. And parts fail, work is not done to code, faulty designs get signed off on, and people get killed left and right because of it. Better hope that whoever built your house did it right, whoever built the freeway you drive on did it right. I hope nobody who prepares my food cheats on the rules about handwashing after using the toilet!</p>
<p>I don’t think people are born with a sense of ethics, and everybody makes bad choices sometimes, which is why you have to keep up the pressure on these behaviors to socialize people. I have no qualms whatsoever about yelling at somebody in class, in front of everyone, if I see them trying to cheat. The embarrassment is pretty effective.</p>
<p>While I don’t at all advocate cheating of any kind, I think it’s great that students are sharing their ideas with others. This is a great show of ingenuity in today’s youth. Now we need to get these students to channel their ingenuity into more benevolent projects.</p>
<p>what’s with all the adults on here?
I mean, you don’t really know the pressures unless you are in high school in this era.
Yes, I agree cheating is wrong, and yes, that girl was incredibly stupid to put that on youtube, or even come up with it in the first place. However, you must realize that sometimes you have to “do what you gotta do”, and sadly, today, sometimes even the greatest amounts of studying will not bring you up to a competitive level.
So instead of judging those who sometimes cheat or lie, and claiming you have never cheated in life, try to put yourselves in a young persons shoes, and realize the consequences of NOT cheating (in specific circumstances)</p>
<p>So yes, one should have the goal not to cheat, but sometimes, it is absolutely necessary.</p>
<p>Absolutely necessary? Do you even know what that combination of words mean?
If school is hard to the point that you have to cheat, then you are being overwhelmed. Drop down to a lower class. Just because you might drop a couple of ranks in the school is not a good reason for cheating. You’re the one putting the pressure on yourself.
Having your mentality in the future would make for a society I fear to be living in. Did you know that the melamine that’s causing the tens of thousands of sicknesses is used in order to “cheat” the sensors by simulating more protein than there actually is?</p>
<p>Totally agree with woami. If you can’t handle the work, it’s because you are obviously not intelligent enough/good enough in the class. </p>
<p>The pressure to get into blahblah university is obviously real, but it’s completely self-induced (except for some extreme parents) and not a necessity. Cheating shouldn’t be justified because of some students’ lack of perspective. I am taking eight classes (as a senior, our school recommends five) with the most advanced coursework possible. I don’t get enough sleep, and I am bogged down with activities. Would I even think of cheating? No. But I’m capable of handling this work. Others are not, and still others can do more than I. Are any of us justified in cheating? No.</p>
<p>Cheating is NEVER necessary. Was that clear? I hope so. </p>
<p>I am a young person. I have tried to put myself in the shoes of someone else, yet have not been able to come up with a scenario that justified cheating.</p>
<p>If you “need” to resolve to lying, then you are too stupid or too busy to be doing the coursework you are. You don’t “need” to do all of that. You don’t “need” to go to Harvard, for that matter.</p>
<p>“Cheating is not a necessary evil, it is a practice used only by the incredibly repugnant and despicable human beings.”</p>
<p>Jesus H. Christ, calm down! Cheating may be morally questionable, but saying it is practice used ONLY by “repugnant and despicable human beings.” Are you serious? What an incredibly ignorant, idiotic thing to say. You have every right to be upset with people who cheat, but calling them “despicable?” I hate to break it to you, but most people cheat, at least a little. You’re going to have a hell of a time in life if you judge people that strongly for something as comparatively insignificant as cheating.</p>
<p>“Baelor, offense intended, but you seem like a self-satisfied prick.”</p>
<p>Is my point any less valid because of your ad hominem fallacies? No. But thanks for letting me know that you don’t have a problem with the actual substance of my post.</p>
<p>"Cheating may be morally questionable, but saying it is practice used ONLY by “repugnant and despicable human beings.” "</p>
<p>I stand by my statement. I don’t see why anyone with a sense of morality would feel justified in cheating. In what way was the statement untrue? What reason that is sensible could one possibly have for such a terrible transgression?</p>
<p>“You have every right to be upset with people who cheat, but calling them “despicable?” I hate to break it to you, but most people cheat, at least a little.”</p>
<p>“At least a little?” What does that even mean? Moreover, anyone who cheats is despicable. The fact that many people are incredibly unscrupulous doesn’t make them any more justified.</p>
<p>“You’re going to have a hell of a time in life if you judge people that strongly for something as comparatively insignificant as cheating.”</p>
<p>Oh, I’ve managed fine. Number of family members who have done anything illegal, including speeding, in my lifetime: 0. Number of friends who cheat: 0. Number of close friends who use alcohol: 1. Number of friends who drink: 0. I’ve found many people who share my values. Clearly it is possible. Why would I expect anything less from others?</p>
<p>Not that you can pick your family, or that that statement has anything to do with this thread, but that’s a ******** statement right there and you know it. I’m sure you’ve surveyed your whole family and got the honest truth from them… lmao.</p>
<p>Chances are, we probably cheat unknowingly or we cheat and then try to relieve that guilt by defining “cheating” in our own convenient ways to alleviate guilt. So, it seems as though some people on this thread are saying that only glaringly fraudulent behavior is considered cheating and all the other little things that we commit and get away with are acceptable. </p>
<p>Kiki appears dumb to post this on the internet. Then again, she probably had a reason to not care about getting caught. Otherwise, yea, she is dumb.</p>
<p>“Not that you can pick your family, or that that statement has anything to do with this thread, but that’s a ******** statement right there and you know it. I’m sure you’ve surveyed your whole family and got the honest truth from them… lmao.”</p>
<p>My sister basically lives in a bubble. My parents don’t even enter situations in which they could do anything illegal. Remember, I said in MY lifetime. They’ve always been very strict about upholding what they considered (and consider) to be important principles. Is it really so hard to believe that someone doesn’t break the law? That’s such a sad commentary on our society…</p>
<p>But look, that’s not the point. It’s that you can find people who share similar values. I’m not forced to make friends with cheaters, so I don’t see why I would. The excuse that most people cheat is not one at all. It doesn’t make it justified. In addition, saying that “it’s insignificant comparatively” is also irrelevant. Just because it pales in comparison to genocide or murder doesn’t make it okay. Why excuse anything but the worst transgressions, when you could try to fix all of them?</p>
<p>Short answer: yes, it is. Never speed? Ever? Always go 55 on the highway?</p>
<p>Ethics are all relative, so saying only “despicable” people cheat is meaningless. The only set of supposdely universal ethics is the law. At the same time, people talk about how some laws are meant to be broken, etc. So in short, there are no universal morals. Who is to say the death penalty is right or wrong or that cheating is justifiable or not?</p>
<p>Does this mean I think killing people for fun is not immoral, etc.? No, and it must be dealt with to preserve order in society (as I said before, I don’t personally cheat either). But I don’t really care if people cheat, especially in Gen ends and things not related to what they’re studying–let them! I’d much rather have a brilliant doctor who lied about his ECs to get into college and cheated his way through his gen eds than a mediocre one who got his degree honorably!</p>
<p>You have mistakenly intertwined rules and morality. The situation was agitated as you insulted nearly everyone in this thread on such false grounds, while suggesting your own superiority. For the record, I stopped hating you as your posts shifted from hostile to pitiable somewhere around the top of this page.</p>
<p>@Piter: No, our lit is 60. That’s what they go at. I make sure of it, and I’ve never had a problem. I suppose I take on that role (cf. Nelly Dean in Wuthering Heights).</p>
<p>Also, please prove the total assumption that morality is relative, particularly in the context of cheating. Why do you believe this? </p>
<p>@old: Oh, I’m sorry, am I now responsible for he parenting of my sister? If not, then I see no purpose for your comment.</p>
<p>Old, my values include following laws that help preserve order in a just manner,i.e. Mos of them. So they are in fact intertwined as I consider many laws moral values as well. Did that go over your head, or do you realize that you were wrong yet?</p>
<p>Also, no the grounds on which my first post was founded were simply that cheating was heinous. Is that wrong? No one has even attempted to form a coherent argument in favor of the justifiability of cheating, yet you laughably claim that they are simply false? And you wonder where my sense of superiority came from? Haha. This is amusing, and I note with supreme interest that you have made ad hominem and strawman attacks in a pitiful effort to focus on my character instead of, what I can only think because no one has made any effort to dispell the alleged myth at all, the obvious validity of my actual argument: that heating is wrong.</p>
<p>Go on, step up. What do you think is ludicrous? Is cheating okay to you? Is I simply something that is a mere trifle, not to take up time that could be spent more productively catching real villains? If so, I can only assume that you enjoy projecting your beliefs onto others, much as I do.</p>
<p>I’m glad you stopped hating me, although I am quite nonplussed that you think I an not aware of my incredible arrogance, not to mention my… Ignorance. Is that what you would say? Perhaps na</p>
<p>It’s pretty damn easy to cheat. Easy proctors, baggy clothes stuffed with “notes”, toilet cubicles during breaktime, etc.
It really depends on your integrity. I cheated once during the 2nd grade and it still came back to haunt me these days Even as a kid back then i swore never to do it again. </p>
<p>I disagree that cheating is “necessary”. That’s the cheaters’ way of excusing themselves.</p>
Even as a kid back then i swore never to do it again. </p>